1 out of 7 reservists to quit ??

#1
Daily Mail, Friday 31st mar. Page 45, just after the article on boiling babies and binge drinking. quote one in severn military reservists is on the verge of quitting due to poor leadershp and trainng, according to a report by the Whitehall spending watchdog.

The national Audit Office warned that reserve forces are heavily under-strength and just one third are currently ready to go into battle.

MPs warned that the situation is particularly serious since the regular armed forces have come to depend on the support of the reserves.

One in eight soldiers fighting in Iraq - more than 12,000 troops - has come from the reserves. in the TA, manning levels are just 81 percent of requirments and the situation is even worse in specialist units like the medics........

Around 25% said that they received inadequate training because courses have been cancelled. Some 40% cited 'poor leadership' as a reason for leaving.... unquote

Totally agree with the last bit

Any comments.
 
#2
#4
There's no e in quit.

I thought you meant that 1 in 7 reservists were too quiet!
 
#5
... well in our unit I think if anyone quits, its because we are fed up with checking serial numbers off against lists..(two Wednesday's in March alone).

Our management and PSI's seem to lack imagination.. We rarely see our officers, and when we do, they are usually planning something for their own benefit.

Our PSI/Troop commanders have a week to think of/ or get someone to come up with a training event for a Wednesday,.. they can't even do that...

That may be more like why people are leaving..

I am also a Special,... its not paid, but an evening/weekend is generally much more interesting/rewarding,( I have 22 years of TA experience and I know which one I now prefer...

If they paid Special's I think a few TA soldiers might try something more interesting!! By the way some forces are experimenting with paying Special's and the Police Federation is also fighting for pay for those that don't,(Holby's finest only get expenses). .
 
#6
Tooldtodieyoung said:
I am also a Special,... its not paid, but an evening/weekend is generally much more interesting/rewarding,( I have 22 years of TA experience and I know which one I now prefer...
I looked into becoming a Special, and I was very rudely told to go away and try to apply again when I've been in the UK for three years. Needless to say that put me off a little bit. All I did was ask if it was OK to apply as a foreigner! So how do you find time to be a Special and a TA soldier?
 
#7
The_Green_Manalishi said:
So how do you find time to be a Special and a TA soldier?
I'd imagine quite easily. Most of the mainland constabulary's require 16 hours a month minimum (prepared to be corrected). Thats two 8 hour shifts - probably on a Friday or Saturday night so they (S.Constables) get all the 'excitement' - public order, how fun!
 
#8
The_Green_Manalishi said:
Tooldtodieyoung said:
I am also a Special,... its not paid, but an evening/weekend is generally much more interesting/rewarding,( I have 22 years of TA experience and I know which one I now prefer...
I looked into becoming a Special, and I was very rudely told to go away and try to apply again when I've been in the UK for three years. Needless to say that put me off a little bit. All I did was ask if it was OK to apply as a foreigner! So how do you find time to be a Special and a TA soldier?
Thats a real shame that they turned you away....especially if you were keen to join. I would definitely recommend applying when you are able.

It has been a bit of a juggle, I normally do a Friday night, occasionally Saturday's for footy... but you literally do what you want, you are proper volunteer. The Regular's appreciate any help, normally very gratefully....
 
#9
manchestercop said:
The_Green_Manalishi said:
So how do you find time to be a Special and a TA soldier?
I'd imagine quite easily. Most of the mainland constabulary's require 16 hours a month minimum (prepared to be corrected). Thats two 8 hour shifts - probably on a Friday or Saturday night so they (S.Constables) get all the 'excitement' - public order, how fun!
...hmmm, Friday night's.. never a dull moment!!!
 
#10
Tooldtodieyoung said:
I normally do a Friday night, occasionally Saturday's
See, told you! :D

It's true, we do appreciate the help and it amazes me you do it for free - good on you, apart from those of you too scared to actually make arrests!! Thankfully not the majority, keep up the good work!
 
#12
bobos said:
If they started paying specials I think you would get a mass exodus from the TA
Some forces are trialling a bounty scheme, and I've heard, but I doubt very much, one of the Southern English forces are paying a monthly bounty of some type/kind.
 
#13
Just in case you are interested,I am a reservist(ex-reg) and am now in the fire service.I have received mobilisation papers,but must have my employers consent.They will not let me go,regardless of personal thoughts on whether it is right or wrong--that is not the issue.So if you ever thought we were all on the same side,it appears that the fire service senior management believe their empire is more important than anything else.
 
#14
smudge5611 said:
Just in case you are interested,I am a reservist(ex-reg) and am now in the fire service.I have received mobilisation papers,but must have my employers consent.They will not let me go,regardless of personal thoughts on whether it is right or wrong--that is not the issue.So if you ever thought we were all on the same side,it appears that the fire service senior management believe their empire is more important than anything else.
I think that the fire service is a reserved occupation, i.e. you are exempt from your reserve liability and you cannot join the TA; always used to be the case anyway. So it's not just your bosses that that have a problem with it it's the legislators too,
 
#15
I've never understood why the police don't pay specials. Must be the only reserve force to work for nothing. I know some forces ae now offering a bounty, but they should stop p1ssing about and just pay them for time served.
Are specials allowed to take the firearms course? I know they can do riot training as well as the "normal" police duties.
 
#17
I want to join the specials but they said as im in the reserve forces then I can't, citing policy clashes. Can't quite see how they can let full time police join the TA but not the specials tho... that and my mum says I'm special!! They did mumble something about there being a slim possibility of having my shift time dedicated to some sort of special beat around my uni, but made no promises.
 
#19
countdokku said:
I've never understood why the police don't pay specials. Must be the only reserve force to work for nothing. I know some forces ae now offering a bounty, but they should stop p1ssing about and just pay them for time served.
Are specials allowed to take the firearms course? I know they can do riot training as well as the "normal" police duties.
No Firearms does not seem to be open to Specials,... and I doubt it ever will,(despite alot of ex military, 4 on my team, all ex Infantry). That would only change if the Police were armed more generally, I think that is a way off yet. Would like to see Tazer more generally issued as it is better in some scenarios than spray having said that I have racked my ASP once in the last 12 months, and never used my spray, hope it stays that way,... I prefer to use my brain and mouth...

Riot training/PSU is being taught in some forces to Specials, at present we don't train for the latter.

I agree pay Specials, But put in place a greater annual screening process ala ITD's/MATs to make sure the right people join. At present the Specials are proper volunteers ie they don't do it for the money,... there is a danger of Bounty Hunters.. my TA unit has a few of the latter, spooky I have seen a few of late,.. I wonder why??? the latter fill spots that should be given up to those that are prepared to give the time.
 

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