1 in 6 MOD CS apply for voluntary redundancy

Discussion in 'Strategic Defence & Spending Review (SDSR)' started by jim30, Apr 7, 2011.

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  1. Taken from the standard - One in six MoD staff applies for voluntary redundancy | Politics

    (For info, we're losing 25,000, of which 20,000 are going to be from the mainstream MOD and 5000 from trading agencies. When you realise that 5,000 are predicted to be natural wastage beyond this total, you realise that we've just about hit our redundancy targets in one month!).

    This is really worrying news - while I know there will be some here who cheer at the thought of less CS, I am concerned that the staff going are often very good people who are passionate about Defence and the armed forces. I know many people who've gone for it (and I'll be honest and say that I seriously looked at it until I worked out my compulsory or voluntary pay off is the same) - its not just the tired old wasters we're losing here. Lots of good keen young people with bright futures ahead want to walk away because they are fed up with the utter lack of leadership at the top, the complete closure of all real career prospects for anyone who isn't on the faststream, and the complete collapse in morale.

    The media are also responsible, their pernicious agenda that makes out that us CS are pure scum, who are singlehandley responsible for everything wrong in the MOD today has made a lot of people give up - yesterday I heard a very senior civil servant admit that people are no longer proud to publicly admit that they work for MOD. Thats a desperately sad state of affairs to find ourselves in.

    So, fast forward 5 years and you have a department where many good people have gone, and where 40% of the workforce thats left will be over 50. The imminent loss of skills and knowledge, much of it irreplacable, and much of which contributes to the UK influence globally is going to be keenly felt by the armed forces.
     
  2. Someone I know jumped ship from the MoD CS before all this kicked off - he took up an engineering post in private industry, and a pay increase of around 100%. Not only is he now earning a wage comensurate with his educations skills and experience, he also has a much better work/life balance.

    But let's not let reality intrude on the mindset of "couldn't hold down a real job in private sector" or "massively overpaid" CS.
     
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  3. Only 1 in 6? Try 1 in 4 in UKBA. Morale is on the floor, careers are halted, and the only hope of promotion is if you can demonstrate 2 or more 'diversity criteria'

    Actual suitability for the job is no longer a requirement for advancement.
     
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  4. The 1 in 6 figure is about right for my part of the MoD, although thankfully the large majority of those applying are coming up for retirment anyway. Most of the young bucks seem reasonably happy to ride out the current crappy situtation where you've no chance of being promoted for the next couple of years. I won't be happy to see the back of those that have applied in my office but the people that are enthusiastic and proactive about their work look likely to stay on - I'm pretty optimistic to be honest.

    I was at a wedding last year and got a wigging from someone I've never met before because I told her I was a MOD CS. It's like being a banker or politician! Her son was a bootie due to go on HERRICK and all the cliches were coming out about not getting 'Our Boys' the kit they needed and cackling into my 6 figure bonus etc. In fairness though once you explain the truth most people are fairly reasonable about the whole thing
     
  5. Started giving very serious thought to retiring early. Just sick of it all now. Working far harder and far longer hours in return for a real terms slashing of my wages. We had a Grade 5 come round to give us a pat on the head and cheer us on this week, seems only C2's and above were worthy of a word - cheers Sir.
     
  6. Morale has absolutely pancaked. Long hours, hard work etc. isn't a problem for most though the applications have mainly come from the older ones because they are generally on higher pay and maybe have a better pension lined up. What's really winding everyone up is the complete lack of empowerment, ever-increasing bureacracy and the total lack of real leadership of any sort. The plans that are being trotted out to supposedly cope with the numbers going (contractorise things, renegotiate contracts, reorganise teams and retrain people all at once) are ludicrous.

    Something will be dropped and I hope it doesn't screw up someone on ops.
     
  7. And then you get Dr Liam Fox (safe in his highly paid post) making his speech at the official opening and ribbon cutting ceremony of MoD Corsham saying "Lets hope this is the last cut I have to make here"* expecting polite chuckles at the least but was met with stony silence. Know your audience Dr Fox!


    *Alledgedly, though it is 3rd hand gossip, but in the best tradition of ARRSE why let the truth stand in the way of a good story!
     
  8. "And then you get Dr Liam Fox (safe in his highly paid post) making his speech at the official opening and ribbon cutting ceremony of MoD Corsham saying "Lets hope this is the last cut I have to make here"* expecting polite chuckles at the least but was met with stony silence. Know your audience Dr Fox!"

    apparently he asked one member of staff how she found car parking on site (apparently a major problem there) only to be told that she walked to work. Cue rapid exit!
     
  9. "really winding everyone up is the complete lack of empowerment, ever-increasing bureacracy and the total lack of real leadership of any sort"

    Are you saying that you don't feel empowered by the new PAR which apparently helps empower our development, but is never looked at in any formal appraisal? I am appalled!
     
  10. I think 'major problem' is a rather understated way of phrasing that Jim! Aparently those select few considered safe enough to meet Dr Fox had been warned not to mention the parking situation.
     
  11. Command_doh

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    You will see a lot of people taking VERS because the alternative is the axe further down the road, on half the payout they would get now. Rats and sinking ships...
     
  12. One of the other problems is the refusal to allow units to externally recruit when a specialist gets VERS but needs to be replaced. This is specially so for RO/MSF posts; in a large northern garrison they need a new Garrison RAO but have been told to accept a mainstream C2 with no experience of service personnel, finance, pensions, non public funds, MS or anything green. How this individual is expected to lead and teach an RAO team is a huge question and whether any serviceman/woman could go to them for advice on claims etc a joke.
     
  13. I though posts like that were designated MSF with the incumbent an ex-mil CS in uniform with honorary rank?
     
  14. I've seen plenty of MSF vacancies recently - is it possible that the job was advertised as MSF at stage 1 recruitment, no credible candidates came forward, and then at the point the job went to open competition, they got a candidate without needing to do external recruitment?
     
  15. MSF posts are not specifically for ex mil, they simply require particular skills, competences and military knowledge.

    Paymaster - In a perfect world you'd get exactly the right person with the right skillset but as Jim30 said, if no one suitable was found then I would imagine that having someone in post who is capable of learning and gaining the knowledge required to lead the team is far better than having the post vacant for several months and potentially cut as so many vacant and gapped posts have been and will continue to be.

    Additionally, the first stage of recruitment is open to those in the RDP and if someone has the essential competences then they should be offered the post. Why recruit externally when we have staff capable of learning the required skills who will otherwise be made redundant?