1 DAY PAAB

#1
There is a new one-day PAAB; apparently they have dropped the following:

Presentation
Interviews
Gun Run
Written appreciation
Essay

I am not an expert on the subject just heard about it second hand. Can any one throw more light on the subject?

Is this the way forwards?

Are they going to move away from the class 1 PAAB attempt?

Dave
 
#4
Am I correct in thinking that they are prolly some of the most important aspects of the thing and that the whole idea might be a bad one?
 
#5
whats the differance who goes on to the tiffy coarse isnt as if they they have to use any technical merit to pass, cant beat a cd rom pass back
 
#6
If the new PAAB we're to come into affect will this mean those who were graded poor for the

Presentation
Interviews
Gun Run
Written appreciation
Essay

previously on an old PAAB but were graded satisfactory for the remainder could apply for a redress, thus now possibly receiving a pass and relieving this shortfall in candidates, obviously these 'tests' are no longer required and the 'gold standard' we are constantly preached to about no longer applies for tiffy's.
 
#7
If there's a Gold standard for tiffies, I'll be taking my wages in Sovereigns from now on, thankyou very much...
 
#8
Themanwho said:
If there's a Gold standard for tiffies, I'll be taking my wages in Sovereigns from now on, thankyou very much...
Well the Corps seems to consider Tiffy's to have the power to walk on water, guess they'll be issue with waders from now on!
 
#9
Surely any change is for the better or else why fix something that's not broken?

We should embrace the changes and move forward!
Onward and upward's what I say

8)
 
#10
Good point why fix something that’s not broken. The old Tiffy selection system that involved commander ES interviews Tiffy books and 3 day PAABs on the whole produced good Tiffys. The odd bad one will slip threw the net but you will always get that. All change is not good, that is naive comment at best.

As it stands you don’t even have to be motivated in the slightest to get on a PAAB it is given to you on a plate.

The reason the Artificer system was made easier in my opinion is down to pay 2000. After pay 2000 and the opening of warrant slots to artisans suddenly the artificer system does not look so attractive. If you genuinely believe you are good at what you do you will get your warrant anyway.

It is widely thought that some senior REME commanders change things just to be seen to do something and leave their mark. I am all for continuous evolution of the corps but we seam to be getting a continuous devolution instead particularly where trades and the standard of our managers is concerned

Will issuing waders be cost effective?

Dave
 
#11
Twist_To_Open said:
whats the differance who goes on to the tiffy coarse isnt as if they they have to use any technical merit to pass, cant beat a cd rom pass back
Failed on the essay writing did we? unless you thought the 'coarse' was rough!!

Started as B Mech - (failed) Transferred to U mech - ( ??? ) Now an A mech (probably think a TN54 is a fighter plane) - You are the complete tool!
 
#12
I recon they changed the format cos the numbers applying fell off.
When paycut 2000 was brough in people suddenly caught on to the fact that a Tech Stmn got paid the same as the VM. Why would any sane person want to work in poor conditions in the pi**ing rain to fix a vehicle for an ungrateful bas***d with the wrong tools for the job when you could be sitting in a nice warm stores vehicle for the same money and promotion prospects. loads of guys are jumping ship to the non feeder trades, hence the lack of attendance at PAAB.

Bring back the incentives and maybe the numbers will rise. How long before the 1 day PAAB is done away with and people get recommended for Art Trg from the class 1 cse report and CR's?????
 
#13
The Austrialian RAEME don't bother with a PAAB, it is exactly that recommended. Why not? We are all paid pretty much the same, why not save the time and effort of messing around with the PAAB and get on with it. Did the Artisans that got their warrant need a PAAB, no they where perhaps held back because they didn't pass (ok PC correct, achieve the reqd stnadard) or attend, but if they is good enough now why didnt we groom then earlier on to bigger and better things?

Anyway its the thin end of the wedge for the corps. And his Lordship in Dec crafty involving and upsetting the RLC in our business is but another example.

Is there any more kit fixed? with either system?
 
#14
Devilishdave said:
The reason the Artificer system was made easier in my opinion is down to pay 2000. After pay 2000 and the opening of warrant slots to artisans suddenly the artificer system does not look so attractive. If you genuinely believe you are good at what you do you will get your warrant anyway.
I agree DD. I have seen figures that show that the financial reward for completing the 18 month long tiffy course has been massively eroded in the last few years. So, why give up all your time for a very hard course if you will not be paid for it?

And you no longer need to be a tiffy to reach WO2. So, why bother with tiffy? Answers on a postcard, please!

I've had a bad day and I am going to lie down in a dark room......

Litotes
 
#17
It looks as though the one day PAAB is here to stay!!!!!! :cry: :cry:

So it seems as though it may be easier??????

Imagine our suprise to see one of the Corps young
thrusters waiting to start on the first morning dressed in shirt
tie , jeans and desert wellies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on guys eh, at least try to play the game!!!!!!

P.s needless to say, above mentioned thruster FAILED!!!!!!
 
#18
Just re-read the guest editorial by the Comdt REME Arms School, I quote " something had to be done or the supply of students for courses was going to dry up " so lets just bang any f**ker through as quickly as possible and see what happens, is that the answer?, yet again our Corps managers simply playing the numbers game to keep their bosses happy.
Bring back the old system, it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The new one clearly does'nt!, trust me I work in the field force!
 
#19
Jockster, how can you say the new one doesn't work? It hasn't filtered through to the field force yet. I believe that the first set of guys who were placed on PAAB after class 1 course are now starting to be loaded onto Tiffy courses so I think you should reserve your judgement util after these tiffies have been given the chance to prove themselves in the field force.
I too believe that the old system was better than what's currently planned but I guess we've got to ask ourselves if the individual assault course, gun run etc is a fair judge as to how well a soldier can manage and inspire his troops.
Its also not a case of banging anybody through but ensuring that we dont suffer from further manning shortages in the field force.
 
#20
I see your point Sparky, but I was reacting to info given to me by my boss who has sat on three of the " new " PAAB's full of upgraders, and he said they are a virtually a waste of time, the standard is nearly unrecognisable, most are unprepared or just don't care. I agree that we should wait till the first few leave Bordon/Arborfield with that badge on their arm before we hit the panic button, fair point mate.
 
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