1.5mile run

#21
The_Duke said:
PandaLOVE said:
msr said:
PandaLOVE said:
The_Duke said:
Start fast, keep going fast, try to get faster at the end. Pacing yourself for the first half mile is for poofs and pie eaters.

Flat out from the start, tasting blood by the halfway point and vomiting by the end should do you just fine.
Possible the stupidest thing I've read on the subject so far. Someone without a suitable endurance base cannot start fast and get faster. Flat out, taste blood, vomit etc.? If a little run makes you bleed and vomit I suggect you visit yout MO but advise it to others.
I suggest the 4 PARA is not for you then ;)

mstr
Funny you should say that msr. A few years ago a young Para medic guy swore he and his Para mates would run their BFT in 6.30 as a squad.... in step! I had two choices. Bang my head against a wall explaining it was not possible or just leaving the bloke to dream up more BS in his own little world. I wonder if Duke is a medic? :roll:
No medic. I am however someone who understands the meaning of "individual best effort". It is only 1.5 miles, and you should be running it as fast as possible.

Anyone who has ever really pushed themself will understand what I mean by tasting blood and vomiting.

Of course, if you just amble round being careful not to spill any crumbs, then the above will not apply.
I've pushed myself and never tasted blood or vomit. Maybe you're a smoker. Truth is a novice asked an honest question to which there is a sensible answer. I gave it.
 
#22
PL,

Lighten up :)

msr
 

The_Duke

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#23
No smoker either. You are not very good at 20 questions, are you?

You gave your version of a sensible answer. I do not agree with it, nor do many other posters on this thread. Hence, I gave my answer- he should run fast throughout, and go for a push in the last stages. That way, if he fails he knows he tried his hardest. If he fails having paced himself, then no DS will ever give him the benefit of the doubt because he decided to coast for the first third of the test.
 

RP578

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#24
Blinder said:
blatent thread hijack but......

Do the DS vary the order of the tasks then? I've been training for this in various different orders, and if there is a set order it's too f'ing late for me to do anything about it now - as the weekend is looming, but I wouldnt mind knowing.....

Also whats the rest position for pressups?

ta

b
Blinder are you referring to Recruit Selection weekend at an ADSC? If so there's good info by 'fallingplate' who is a Subject Matter Expert on TA selection (note the run distance is given in metric):

fallingplate said:
Your selection will consist of the following:

Arrivals & safety brief
OC's opening address
Icebreaker
BARB test
Military skills lesson
Physical selection standards (recruits)
Risk reduction run
TA terms and conditions of service presentation
Military skills practical test
Team tasks
Military skills written test
OC's closing address

The RRR time for all potential recruits, you are not a recruit until you have passed selection, no matter what arm, service, age or sex is 14 minutes. If you pass selection and if then you complete phase 1 and 2 training you time for a 2.4km run is reduced, this is dependant on age/sex, however an male of 30yrs or under will be expected to complete the distance in 10 minutes 30 seconds or less.

There are three possible outcomes from you visit to ADSC (P), pass, fail or deferment.
 

The_Duke

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#25
RP578,

Just a little amendment to the above. The risk reduction run is indeed 14 minutes for all arms, services etc.

If however you are apply for a certain nationwide based reserve Bn :wink: , your application will not proceed beyond the selection weekend if your risk reduction run is slower than 10.30.

It is not about being eliteist, it is a simple matter of not wasting time on someone who stands little to no hope of keepng up with the recruit course.
 
#26
ive been running a mile and half for a while now and can get it under time but i am getting really bad shin splints because of it, anyone got any tips how i can keep my run time down but without worsening my problem?

Thanks
 

RP578

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#27
Duke,

I sit at my computer humbled, chastened and whipping myself like a frenzied Shi'ite! :D

You are of course correct, but I'm guessing that like the HAC, you do your recruit selection in house, no? Truth be told, the 14 min "pass mark" is really only supposed to be a 'good enough for all arms'. The current recommendations for Regular ADSC is:

ADSC 1.5 MILE RUN: RISK REGULATOR


ADULT ENTRY

PARA

• 09:18 or less
• 09:19 – 09:40 inclusive (116kg must be achieved on Static lift).


LEVEL 1

• 12:45 or less All Infantry


LEVEL 2

• 13:15 or less RA, RAC, RE, H Cav, RLC Pioneers


LEVEL 3

• 14:00 or less All other Arms & Services



JUNIOR ENTRY


ARMY DEVELOPMENT COURSE (ATR(B))

• 14:00 or less


ARMY FOUNDATION COLLEGE (AFC(H))

• 14:30 or less
 

The_Duke

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#28
peersy said:
ive been running a mile and half for a while now and can get it under time but i am getting really bad shin splints because of it, anyone got any tips how i can keep my run time down but without worsening my problem?

Thanks
First, make sure your trainers are in good nick, and right for you. A few(!) pounds spent on a proper pair of running shoes, purchased after advice from a real runners shop (not JJB sports) could be money well spent.

Next, warm up and cool down properly. Get a fitness instructor to show you some stretches to help the process.

Last, you may need to rest for a while to allow any existing injury or inflammation to heal properly before you start training again.

If it is still bad, you should visit a doctor for a check up, but to be honest they will probably just prescribe rest and anti inflammatories (ibuprofen).
 
#29
RP578 said:
Blinder are you referring to Recruit Selection weekend at an ADSC? If so there's good info by 'fallingplate' who is a Subject Matter Expert on TA selection (note the run distance is given in metric):
Yes I am, thanks for posting that RP578, appreciate it.

b
 
#31
@ Blinder

There is no rest position for press ups, get up walk around if you really want to.

Order every time I have done PFT is 2 mins best effort press ups, sit ups followed by 400m jog then 2400m best effort.
 
#32
I did my 1.5 mile last weekend at 4 Para induction and found I ran faster than normal due to trained ranks running as markers. My advice would be focus on the fastest there, and control your breathing. It's only a mile and a half, push hard.
 
#33
Blinder said:
blatent thread hijack but......

Do the DS vary the order of the tasks then? I've been training for this in various different orders, and if there is a set order it's too f'ing late for me to do anything about it now - as the weekend is looming, but I wouldnt mind knowing.....

Also whats the rest position for pressups?

ta

b
Are you doing the Selection Day. If so there are no press ups. You will complete a total of nine tasks which make up the PSSR (Physical Selection Standard for Recruits).
1. BMI
2. Height
3. Weight
4. Heaves
5. Static lift
6. Dynamic Lift
7. Back Extensions
8. Jerry Can Carry
9. 1.5 mile run

1-3 is usually conducted at a medical prior to attendance.
5,6 & 7 are conducted on specialist equipment.

If you are not doing your Selection Day and you are conducting a PFT (which would assume you have completed Phase C and your Special to Arm training), then, as already said, there is no rest position as such for press-ups or sit-ups, you can get up and walk around if you wish (to waste time!). The press-ups and sit-ups can now be conducted either before or after the run.
 
#34
frenchie said:
@ Blinder

There is no rest position for press ups, get up walk around if you really want to.

Order every time I have done PFT is 2 mins best effort press ups, sit ups followed by 400m jog then 2400m best effort.
Cheers frenchie - I don't need a walk :) just a few secs to shake my arms out.

OnTheBus said:
Are you doing the Selection Day. If so there are no press ups. You will complete a total of nine tasks which make up the PSSR (Physical Selection Standard for Recruits).
1. BMI
2. Height
3. Weight
4. Heaves
5. Static lift
6. Dynamic Lift
7. Back Extensions
8. Jerry Can Carry
9. 1.5 mile run

1-3 is usually conducted at a medical prior to attendance.
5,6 & 7 are conducted on specialist equipment.

If you are not doing your Selection Day and you are conducting a PFT (which would assume you have completed Phase C and your Special to Arm training), then, as already said, there is no rest position as such for press-ups or sit-ups, you can get up and walk around if you wish (to waste time!). The press-ups and sit-ups can now be conducted either before or after the run.
We were told pressups,situps, and the run, if it's any different i'll grin and get on with it like you do, but quietly i'll be pretty fucked off because i've been training pressups/situps and the run for friggin weeks now. Nothing I can do about it now though, cometh the hour....

ta for the info though

b
 
#35
i had a pft saturday, this time i just ran as hard as i could the whole time ended up with 11.27 my best so far, last time 2 weeks ago was 11.40 so getting there!!!!
 
#36
Blinder said:
frenchie said:
@ Blinder

There is no rest position for press ups, get up walk around if you really want to.

Order every time I have done PFT is 2 mins best effort press ups, sit ups followed by 400m jog then 2400m best effort.
Cheers frenchie - I don't need a walk :) just a few secs to shake my arms out.

OnTheBus said:
Are you doing the Selection Day. If so there are no press ups. You will complete a total of nine tasks which make up the PSSR (Physical Selection Standard for Recruits).
1. BMI
2. Height
3. Weight
4. Heaves
5. Static lift
6. Dynamic Lift
7. Back Extensions
8. Jerry Can Carry
9. 1.5 mile run

1-3 is usually conducted at a medical prior to attendance.
5,6 & 7 are conducted on specialist equipment.

If you are not doing your Selection Day and you are conducting a PFT (which would assume you have completed Phase C and your Special to Arm training), then, as already said, there is no rest position as such for press-ups or sit-ups, you can get up and walk around if you wish (to waste time!). The press-ups and sit-ups can now be conducted either before or after the run.
We were told pressups,situps, and the run, if it's any different i'll grin and get on with it like you do, but quietly i'll be pretty fucked off because i've been training pressups/situps and the run for friggin weeks now. Nothing I can do about it now though, cometh the hour....

ta for the info though

b
I haven't done selection yet, but what OnTheBus posted looks like the selection stuff for the regulars, whereas the run, pressups and situps test is what I read that the TA have to do.
 

RP578

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#37
interestednovice said:
I haven't done selection yet, but what OnTheBus posted looks like the selection stuff for the regulars, whereas the run, pressups and situps test is what I read that the TA have to do.
The selection is the same for TA and Regulars and has been since the beginning of this year. The "run, pressups and situps test" is called a Personal Fitness Test (PFT) and is one of the mandatory tests that a soldier has to perform each year. Where exactly did you read otherwise?
 
#38
RP578 said:
interestednovice said:
I haven't done selection yet, but what OnTheBus posted looks like the selection stuff for the regulars, whereas the run, pressups and situps test is what I read that the TA have to do.
The selection is the same for TA and Regulars and has been since the beginning of this year. The "run, pressups and situps test" is called a Personal Fitness Test (PFT) and is one of the mandatory tests that a soldier has to perform each year. Where exactly did you read otherwise?
From this site, here http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Fitness
 
#39
So now the TA are tested on all the same exercises as the regulars, does that mean that they have to meet the same run times and number of reps on different exercises for a given trade?

Or is the PFT stuff I read on that link something that you do before your local TA centre will start helping you get fit etc.. before doing the official Part I training ?

I just want to get it clear in my head what standard I should get up to before turning up at a TA centre and asking to start. I'm weak at pullups (current best effort is 4), but I can bang out more pressups and situps than the minimum given. My 1.5 mile run times are just under 13:30 at the moment, but not good enough to pass selection for the regular infantry yet.

Bit of a fat bloke with big shoulders and triceps basically, but I'm sure I can meet the standards for regular infantry selection given consistent running and weight loss in a few more months.
 
#40
interestednovice said:
So now the TA are tested on all the same exercises as the regulars, does that mean that they have to meet the same run times and number of reps on different exercises for a given trade?
Yes, That'll be the one army concept.

interestednovice said:
Bit of a fat bloke with big shoulders and triceps basically, but I'm sure I can meet the standards for regular infantry selection given consistent running and weight loss in a few more months.
Keep at it. Although you have to run 14 mins for the Risk Reduction Run (RRR) at selection, you will need to be hitting 10.30 for the mile and half (assuming you are under 30) to qualify for your bounty.

msr
 

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