£200 roof tax - rip off Britain

#1
I live in a flat in a converted Victorian House. There are three flats in the house and like good little joint free holders we all got together one day and decided that the roof needs doing. I believe this is quite normal behavior and having a few slates moved around and some plastic guttering added is hardly going to change the face of the neighbourhood.

Or so I thought.

The roof was nearing completion and work then had to cease. Why? Lambeth now charge £200 for a "roof certificate" or some such nonsense. I thought mending a roof was mending a roof and on a privately owned property was no business of the councils. This surely is not a planning issue?

Anyway we had to pay the £200 pounds or work could not continue. I am boiling. EVERYWHERE WE TURN WE ARE BEING TAXED OR F*CKED OVER!
 

Biped

LE
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#2
Wow, that's a new one.

Best get yourself a builder who doesn't work with the council next time.

If they don't know the roof has been re-laid, you won't need a certificate.

What a crock of sh1te!
 
#3
Biped, that's just the thing the builders we chose do not work for the council. The coucil actually employ someone to go round checking - a bit like the TV detector van!!

What really annoys me is that the council have allowed the water contractors to park their plant in the road for free for months even though the work finished in our area in January!

We are slowly being boiled Biped, the arrogance of these people who spend all our council tax, run out of money and have to think of something else to cover the shortfall.

Roof Tax. My question now is what is next? Why don't we just hand all our pay in and just get given food and beer vouchers? Take the lot Tony you REALLy seem to know what your doing.

Rant Out!
 
#5
Air tax, it's about the only thing left that labour haven't charged us for yet....

Lets see, about 10p per hour when awake, rebate for sleeping and 20p per hour when exercising. Should give His Tonyness, his heirs and successors some extra cash to waste on another outreach and integration programme for ginger muslim lesbians or some such other crap......
 
#6
It is the new Building Regulations.

When after April 2006 a roof (flat or pitched) is replaced the new roof has to conform to a minimum insulation standards and that requires certification. And you must pay for that.

Same with electrical work. Last year we had our kitchen done and effectively had the house rewired in the process. Cost an extra £600 for the Inspection, Report and Certificates.

These kind of Certificates are really important when you come to sell, even down to the "Fenestration Certificates" you get if new windows are fitted and which many people lose or chuck out because it looks like meaningless b0ll0cks.

If you do not have the ever increasing number of certificates when time to sell and move on then expect to have demands for retrospective certification. financial indemnities & price reductions laid on you.

Welcome to the Intruder State
 
#7
REgards said:
Air tax, it's about the only thing left that labour haven't charged us for yet....

Lets see, about 10p per hour when awake, rebate for sleeping and 20p per hour when exercising. Should give His Tonyness, his heirs and successors some extra cash to waste on another outreach and integration programme for ginger muslim lesbians or some such other crap......
Nice one, you had to go giving them ideas didn't you.

I can just picture the little treasury scrote now, running into Brown's office shouting "You'll never guess what the ARRSE'rs have come up with now Guv!!!"
 
#8
All arrsers are hereby invited to emigrate to Australia. I will sponsor as many of you as I can and sort out some mates to sponsor the rest. I look forward to the p1ss up.
 
#9
Ex Stab - apparenty it is some new sub set of the building regs, we are challenging it as we were just fixing the roof and not changing the structure or adding. I always thought fixing things on a building was the owners responsibility. What next a pointing charge?

They have given us a shiny certificate to say that Lambeth have approved our new roof. We have just put some new shrubs in the back garden and I would very much like a certificate from Lambeth to say that the Peoples Republic approves of the garden too. What about good citizen badges (I have told them on more than one occasion that I am a subject not a citizen, however I think this action may now have me blacklisted as an enemy of the borough)
 
#10
Blogg said:
It is the new Building Regulations.

When after April 2006 a roof (flat or pitched) is replaced the new roof has to conform to a minimum insulation standards and that requires certification. And you must pay for that.

Same with electrical work. Last year we had our kitchen done and effectively had the house rewired in the process. Cost an extra £600 for the Inspection, Report and Certificates.

These kind of Certificates are really important when you come to sell, even down to the "Fenestration Certificates" you get if new windows are fitted and which many people lose or chuck out because it looks like meaningless b0ll0cks.

If you do not have the ever increasing number of certificates when time to sell and move on then expect to have demands for retrospective certification. financial indemnities & price reductions laid on you.

Welcome to the Intruder State
Bloody hell! I am about to overhaul the roof of Litotes' Manor and I didn't know about that. I was going to improve the insulation as part of the work - but that was because I wanted to do the work - not because of some law.

So fecked off that I might not now bother!

Litotes
 
#11
FARMBOY said:
Ex Stab - apparenty it is some new sub set of the building regs, we are challenging it as we were just fixing the roof and not changing the structure or adding. I always thought fixing things on a building was the owners responsibility. What next a pointing charge?

They have given us a shiny certificate to say that Lambeth have approved our new roof. We have just put some new shrubs in the back garden and I would very much like a certificate from Lambeth to say that the Peoples Republic approves of the garden too. What about good citizen badges (I have told them on more than one occasion that I am a subject not a citizen, however I think this action may now have me blacklisted as an enemy of the borough)
Do it! Ask for a certificate of Shrubbery!. When they can't find one insist. Say you can't sell your property without one. Pick on one of the bastards and drive them to a nervous breakdown with continous demands.

And then ask for a Fish licence.
 
#12
EX_STAB said:
FARMBOY said:
Ex Stab - apparenty it is some new sub set of the building regs, we are challenging it as we were just fixing the roof and not changing the structure or adding. I always thought fixing things on a building was the owners responsibility. What next a pointing charge?

They have given us a shiny certificate to say that Lambeth have approved our new roof. We have just put some new shrubs in the back garden and I would very much like a certificate from Lambeth to say that the Peoples Republic approves of the garden too. What about good citizen badges (I have told them on more than one occasion that I am a subject not a citizen, however I think this action may now have me blacklisted as an enemy of the borough)
Do it! Ask for a certificate of Shrubbery!. When they can't find one insist. Say you can't sell your property without one. Pick on one of the bastards and drive them to a nervous breakdown with continous demands.

And then ask for a Fish licence.
Ex Stab you are a genius mate!! I'm going to do it, you are right they are so disorganised at Lambeth they are bound to think there actually is a "garden certificate" Stand by for the admin vortex! Even better should I send a letter in with a post dated cheque for 20p in payment for the certificate - if they cash it can they be charged with fraud? OHHHHH I'm in a little fantasy world now.....
 
#13
The Socialist Peoples Republic of Lambeth.

Why not re-roof your house with outreach workers, failed asylum seekers and dyslexic gwaar lesbian dwarves, topped with an insulating layer of tofu mixed with cappuccino?

You might get a grant.
 
#14
FARMBOY said:
EX_STAB said:
FARMBOY said:
Ex Stab - apparenty it is some new sub set of the building regs, we are challenging it as we were just fixing the roof and not changing the structure or adding. I always thought fixing things on a building was the owners responsibility. What next a pointing charge?

They have given us a shiny certificate to say that Lambeth have approved our new roof. We have just put some new shrubs in the back garden and I would very much like a certificate from Lambeth to say that the Peoples Republic approves of the garden too. What about good citizen badges (I have told them on more than one occasion that I am a subject not a citizen, however I think this action may now have me blacklisted as an enemy of the borough)
Do it! Ask for a certificate of Shrubbery!. When they can't find one insist. Say you can't sell your property without one. Pick on one of the bastards and drive them to a nervous breakdown with continous demands.

And then ask for a Fish licence.
Ex Stab you are a genius mate!! I'm going to do it, you are right they are so disorganised at Lambeth they are bound to think there actually is a "garden certificate" Stand by for the admin vortex! Even better should I send a letter in with a post dated cheque for 20p in payment for the certificate - if they cash it can they be charged with fraud? OHHHHH I'm in a little fantasy world now.....
Did you clock the video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnq96W9jtuw

Observe the technique.

Sending a cheque in is a blinding idea.
 
#15
Lucky_Jim said:
The Socialist Peoples Republic of Lambeth.

Why not re-roof your house with outreach workers, failed asylum seekers and dyslexic gwaar lesbian dwarves, topped with an insulating layer of tofu mixed with cappuccino?

You might get a grant.
I think there may be funding available for that. What if I also called it the "Peace Roof Project" and allowed Lambeth to dawb messages of peace and love so that all those flying into London could see that Lambeth are "like really against all that scary war type stuff maaaaan"

The Peace roof project - it's got to be worth a £500,000 grant.
 
#16
filthyphil said:
All arrsers are hereby invited to emigrate to Australia. I will sponsor as many of you as I can and sort out some mates to sponsor the rest. I look forward to the p1ss up.
filthyphil - where do I get the forms from, I'm very tempted by your kind offer of a better life in the great southern land.
 
#17
Litotes said:
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Bloody hell! I am about to overhaul the roof of Litotes' Manor and I didn't know about that. I was going to improve the insulation as part of the work - but that was because I wanted to do the work - not because of some law.

So fecked off that I might not now bother!

Litotes
Sad but true. All manner of thing that just happened in the past now require what is in many cases an extra layer of wholly pointless bureacracy and cost.

"As a result of the changes, works that may have been previously exempt or not covered by the Building Regulations are now controlled.
As a consequence you are required to submit a Building Regulations application for such works.

The regulations have now been extended to cover repairs, alterations, replacement and renovation of what are called the buildings ‘Thermal Elements’. This applies to both domestic and commercial buildings.

EXAMPLES OF WORK REQUIRING THE SUBMISSION OF A BUILDING REGULATION APPLICATION:

• Renewal of pitched or flat roof coverings – e.g. re-tiling, re-slating of pitched roofs or re-felting of flat roofs.

• Renewal or replacement of ceilings under a roof space or flat roof (with or without the renewal of the supporting structure).

• Renewal of a finish or cladding to an external wall area or elevation (render or other cladding) or applying a finish or cladding for the first time.

• Renewal of internal wall finishes to an external wall (excluding decoration) or where you are applying a finishes for the first time e.g. re-plastering or dry lining of walls.

• Renovation or replacement of a solid or suspended floor, involving the replacement of screed or a timber floor deck.

• Renewal of cladding to external walls or dormer
cheeks."

http://www.northdown.gov.uk/uploads/docs/Alterations to Roofs, Floors and Walls.pdf
 
#18
EX_STAB said:
FARMBOY said:
EX_STAB said:
FARMBOY said:
Ex Stab - apparenty it is some new sub set of the building regs, we are challenging it as we were just fixing the roof and not changing the structure or adding. I always thought fixing things on a building was the owners responsibility. What next a pointing charge?

They have given us a shiny certificate to say that Lambeth have approved our new roof. We have just put some new shrubs in the back garden and I would very much like a certificate from Lambeth to say that the Peoples Republic approves of the garden too. What about good citizen badges (I have told them on more than one occasion that I am a subject not a citizen, however I think this action may now have me blacklisted as an enemy of the borough)
Do it! Ask for a certificate of Shrubbery!. When they can't find one insist. Say you can't sell your property without one. Pick on one of the bastards and drive them to a nervous breakdown with continous demands.

And then ask for a Fish licence.
Ex Stab you are a genius mate!! I'm going to do it, you are right they are so disorganised at Lambeth they are bound to think there actually is a "garden certificate" Stand by for the admin vortex! Even better should I send a letter in with a post dated cheque for 20p in payment for the certificate - if they cash it can they be charged with fraud? OHHHHH I'm in a little fantasy world now.....
Did you clock the video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnq96W9jtuw

Observe the technique.

Sending a cheque in is a blinding idea.
Sadly the peoples republic of desk job have blocked access to You tube, however I shall check out the link as soon as I get home.

Mr Blogg, many thanks for the heads up on the new legislation you have been about a million times more helpful than anyone at Lambeth, but they (Lambeth) are probably too busy trying to stop the war rather than answering a genuine council tax payer's request.
 
#19
Blogg said:
Litotes said:
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Bloody hell! I am about to overhaul the roof of Litotes' Manor and I didn't know about that. I was going to improve the insulation as part of the work - but that was because I wanted to do the work - not because of some law.

So fecked off that I might not now bother!

Litotes
Sad but true. All manner of thing that just happened in the past now require what is in many cases an extra layer of wholly pointless bureacracy and cost.

"As a result of the changes, works that may have been previously exempt or not covered by the Building Regulations are now controlled.
As a consequence you are required to submit a Building Regulations application for such works.

The regulations have now been extended to cover repairs, alterations, replacement and renovation of what are called the buildings ‘Thermal Elements’. This applies to both domestic and commercial buildings.

EXAMPLES OF WORK REQUIRING THE SUBMISSION OF A BUILDING REGULATION APPLICATION:

• Renewal of pitched or flat roof coverings – e.g. re-tiling, re-slating of pitched roofs or re-felting of flat roofs.

• Renewal or replacement of ceilings under a roof space or flat roof (with or without the renewal of the supporting structure).

• Renewal of a finish or cladding to an external wall area or elevation (render or other cladding) or applying a finish or cladding for the first time.

• Renewal of internal wall finishes to an external wall (excluding decoration) or where you are applying a finishes for the first time e.g. re-plastering or dry lining of walls.

• Renovation or replacement of a solid or suspended floor, involving the replacement of screed or a timber floor deck.

• Renewal of cladding to external walls or dormer
cheeks."

http://www.northdown.gov.uk/uploads/docs/Alterations to Roofs, Floors and Walls.pdf
So that means if you paint a rendered building you need a building inspection.
Madness.
 
#20
Lucky for you it wasn't Listed, that'll be another £600 please. Ever wondered why they're listing everything from knackered old RAF Hangars to Belisha Beacons.
 

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