£1.2-Billion e-borders plan may be illegal

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  1. Hopefully this will be another one of Nu Labour's Stasi style spy State measure's being kicked into touch. The sooner that this lot of Control-Freaks are outed the better for all mankind.

    Borders programme in disarray

    A flagship £1.2 billion programme to collect data from every passenger travelling in and out of Britain was in disarray last night after a Government climb-down.

    The so-called e-Borders scheme was supposed to make it compulsory to collect information from everyone in advance of their travel so they could be checked against watchlists and enable the authorities to count everyone in and out of the country.

    But passengers will not be forced to hand over the information amid concerns it could have breached EU rules over [Full Article...]
  2. Hartrick!
    ID cards U-turn,Anti paedo checks U-turn,now this.
  3. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Funny that. The yanks can still do it, but the EU won't.
  4. Nothing Funny about that. If you hadn't noticed, but America isn't part of the EU so therefore doesn't have to abide by EU Rules & Laws....
  5. And the EU doesn't have any particular incentive for us to be able to secure our borders, quite the opposite, so I don't see us getting any votes to help!

    From Ted Heath's con, that this was all about trade, to the present day where we have our own New Labour Supporting European ex hospital managing Foreign Minister (totally unelected!), this has been a farce and should stop.

    We need the freedom to make our own laws, without reference to some artificial hyperstate.
  6. Now I wonder if any of this lot, before signing juicy contracts, ever wondered about the legality of it all:


    No of course not. That was the job of those who asked them to do it.

    However, quite clear it is another world-class we know best and will ignore all input from those who do this in the real world fcuk up.

    "The e-Borders programme is therefore, as far as we can ascertain, likely to be illegal under the EU Treaty."

    "Despite constant reassurances to the contrary, we have seen no proof that UKBA’s predecessors held serious discussions with the European Commission about the e- Borders programme. More recent and frequent efforts by a variety of carriers to clarify these legal issues with UKBA have met with no success. We suspect that UKBA has only recently started to take these issues seriously, possibly as a result of setbacks such as the forced postponement of the programme in relation to air routes
    to Germany because of national legislation.

    This is not good enough. UKBA is imposing expensive requirements on the private sector in the name of urgent public good apparently without having confirmed that the requirements are lawful."


    Enter one Vaz, K.

    In a report released today, Friday 18 December 2009 the Commons Home Affairs Committee comments on the UK's 'e-Borders programme':

    "...the major stumbling block, and a very disappointing oversight, is that we are sure that what the programme requires will be illegal under the EU Treaty. The programme is intended to cost the taxpayer £1.2 billion and may be illegal. It is shocking that money has already been spent on a programme which could never be implemented."

    "This programme is supposed to cover tens of millions of passengers intra-EU account for a very significant chunk of travel in and out of the UK. Until this legality is resolved UKBA must just halt any further work to "go live" on intra-EU routes. We cannot have another massive IT project which flounders or is even abandoned at huge cost to the taxpayer, it is simply unacceptable."
  7. Ah, that particular New Labour chestnut, the 'oversight'. Covers a multitude of sins :roll:
  8. No doubt there will be "lessons learnt"....etc
  9. Thank God it doesn't involve wasting much money. £1.2 billion is merely the size of the tip that Gordo's leaving behind in Copenhagen. Hope the Bank of England has laid in plenty of copier paper.

    Surely this won't apply to those who really need to be watched. Folks who are being deported. We need to log their exit from Britain to know whether they've obeyed the nice, non judgemental, low carbon footprint letter they get from the Home Office asking if they wouldn't mind leaving the country at their earliest convenience now that their asylum application has failed.