£5,000 a year between now and 2050, per person, on your energy bills

#3
Not a problem at all with a 1% pay rise in 2013!

The Green meanies obviously don't want to get elected is all I can say.
 
#4
The great man speaks, and removes any doubt ...

(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community.
But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore
, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
U.N. Official Admits: We Redistribute World’s Wealth by Climate Policy | TheBlaze.com

Homepage of Prof. Dr. Ottmar Edenhofer — PIK Research Portal
 
#5
Not even bothered to read the article but is some of the green agenda not common sense? We can't continue to consume at the rate we are doing and expect the Earth will support us. Common sense suggests that things will start to run out and substitutes for those things are finite.
 
#6
Not even bothered to read the article but is some of the green agenda not common sense? We can't continue to consume at the rate we are doing and expect the Earth will support us. Common sense suggests that things will start to run out and substitutes for those things are finite.
Good to see an educated opinion put forward.

It would make sense to substitute our existing power generation with something that's reliable, rather than a series of unproven, unreliable and backed-up technologies. Nuclear maybe? Shale gas perhaps?

Or 5k/yr on your back?
 
#7
Move to Cyprus where you don't need quite as much heating and the locals hate any taxes being invented. You know it makes sense.
 
#8
Move to Cyprus where you don't need quite as much heating and the locals hate any taxes being invented. You know it makes sense.
I'd agree with your post however the Euro is the downside,

Now Asia on the hand ;-)
 
#9
Or ensure our houses are built to a desig that is insulated and easily warmed, rather than easy to build.
 
#10
Not even bothered to read the article but is some of the green agenda not common sense? We can't continue to consume at the rate we are doing and expect the Earth will support us. Common sense suggests that things will start to run out and substitutes for those things are finite.
I haven't bothered to read your post. I was going to, but my anti-moron filter blocked it.
 
#11
It is interesting that the common sense proposition that eventualy we WILL run out of finite commodities such as gas, oil or coal is completely ignored, whilst the 'conspiracy' of wealth re-distribution etc is readily accepted by the plebs.

We need to look at our energy expenditure. Not only for Green purposes, but also the simple fact that our domestic supplies are finite. After we have used our last will we wage war to fine more?

Popultion size would be a good start too.
 
#12
We are only giving the dictators in Africa one billion to combat 'global warming' (politicians' code for: buying Mercedes vehicles and villas in France) - why so little?

If we binned the NHS we could give the corrupt dictators much, much more. How about we leave the other 'con-trick' played on us, the EU? That would save billions and we could then give the African criminals even more.

The problem with 'global warming' in Africa is simple: it is the fvcking Sun and not even Bliar could smarm his greasy way into making that little star cool down a bit!
 
#13
The problem with 'global warming' in Africa is simple: it is the fvcking Sun and not even Bliar could smarm his greasy way into making that little star cool down a bit!
Is it that simple?

It could also be due to the Polar ice caps melting more fresh water in to the Oceans and Seas, thus stopping the various underwater currents such as the 'Atlantic Conveyor' (not the one exocetted in 1982).

Thermohaline currents remove warmed water from African coasts, warmed by the very land. In fact the Eastern Coast of Africa actually has a cool current direct from the Antartic cooling that area down. So, we have higher temperatures on the African continent causing drought and other disaster.

Britain benefits fromthis current too. Think to the bit on Sommer Isle in the Wickerman where this was explained to the Pagans as tehy burnt Edward Woodward.



Points to note, Africa is surrouned by the currents... Africa is suffering drought etc. Although we have had a few natural disasters in the Mid-Americas, another area quite affected by the currents.
 
#14
It is interesting that the common sense proposition that eventualy we WILL run out of finite commodities such as gas, oil or coal is completely ignored, whilst the 'conspiracy' of wealth re-distribution etc is readily accepted by the plebs.
'Eventually' meaning when, exactly? If it's more than about 50 years, I doubt anyone on this site could give a flying ****.
 
#15
'Eventually' meaning when, exactly? If it's more than about 50 years, I doubt anyone on this site could give a flying ****.
That's odd, over on the the thread about good schools we have enraged parents who would club another child to death if it meant their child had a good start in life...

Still, a good school is much more important than no clean skies or fresh water.
 
#16
Many thanks 'chocolate frog'. An interesting chart. I am however of the 'sceptical genre'. The 'science' has, in my opinion anyway, been exposed as flawed and politically driven. If Gordon Brown and the BBC believe in 'global warming', they are two good reasons to doubt the validity thereof.

Huhne I believe to be a cad and mountebank and an insignificant little twerp who will, if left to his own devices, cost us billions and billions in addition to defacing so many places with his windmills!

I consider that nuclear power is the way ahead, allied to further research and experimentation in solar power and tidal power. The twerp Huhne seems not to be aware that the wind does not always blow but tides rise and fall constantly and with complete reliability. Hydro-power is also a cheap and renewable source of power.

HUHNE MUST BE STOPPED.

Sorry to rant.



Meet the man who has exposed the great climate change con trick | The Spectator
 
#17
'Eventually' meaning when, exactly? If it's more than about 50 years, I doubt anyone on this site could give a flying ****.
We passed "peak oil" in the 70's. Every barrel now costs more to extract and requires more and more energy to extract it. Forget the new finds in Brazil and elsewhere, they won't cover the demand:supply imbalance. Within a very short time we'll have another oil price spike which everyone on this site will give a flying **** about - added to our other economic woes, it'll get very very bad indeed!

China is now paying twice what the US pays for coal - why, because it's diminishing fast and they're prepared to bunker very large stocks of it. Copper reserves are running out - we're now extracting 2% ore from the largest seams, compared with 10% only a few years ago. Population is rising exponentially - every day we have another 200,000 mouths to feed. In 5 years that figure will have grown to at least 500,000. Demand rising - supply falling; it's not difficult to predict, is it?
 
#18
I've read that, and it does make an interesting read...

That said, it is all very well to say 'we are just insignificant beings in relation to the world' in one breath, but then 'I am all powerful and decree that rain forest to be destroyed' the next.

We ARE part of a system. And a little cog and screw a system just as much as a big cog.

We build a Groyne (for example) on one beach to preserve it but destroy another further down the coast... are we still insignificant?

We argue that we are insignificant producers of CO2 but then say Cows are worse than us? Cows that we own and farm incidentally.

Time to take the rhetorical hyperbole out of this arguement and get down to common sense.

Maybe even take a leaf out of ancient peoples way of life.

'Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you find that money cannot be eaten'... and if that isn't found to be true I don't want to think of a Geidi Prime.
 
#19
For fucks sake, nothing absolutely nothing the human race does or can do, now or in the future can "Save the Planet", it,s a falacy to believe we can, but hey if the sheeple can be convinced and frightened enough to cough up f the belief the planet can be saved then lets hike up the tax take in the name of "Green is Good". A better idea is to burn all the greenies and use the residue as fertiliser and motor fuel or summat.
 

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