£2m funding for Capercallie project

Mick9abf

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Previous post edited to make sense.
Apologies, we've a massive thunderstorm upon us, my thinking head's not the best at present without the added pressure shenanigans this brings, coincidentally being interrupted by phonecall from my Mates' wife who bides by Huntly with a bit of family news...

Back to Pine martens, said Keeper friend, whilst 'out with the light' on one of his last nights before retirement spotted two pairs of eyes 'different' than he'd seen before, turns out it was a pair on the move.
He's keepered this ground all his life, as had his father before, they were spoken of but only in apocryphal terms....
He was saddened for the young keeper following him on, "there'll be nothing left for the lads to watch bar the vermin"...
The Estate offered him a house, and the Underkeeper genuinely wanted him to stay about to share generations of knowledge....
He couldn't wait to escape, his views on the management of the Region are from a bygone era, therefore obsolete.
Funnily enough the first thing Wifey told me was that she'd been confronted with a strange sight this morning, which she wouldn'tve believed if she hadn't seen it....
A badger coursing a young hoody up their drive.
The badger won, they always will...
Eta.
Funnily enough,I too was once lectured on the stupidity of Caper by a 'birdie man' who had some project or other going not a million miles away from M L*dge...
That place seemed to be switched on to of every EU/ Govt. funded scheme and opportunity going, the science up there was blinding, shame the wildlife wasn't as 'on message'.
I stopped enquiring of the place after hearing of one particularly dramatic aerial massacre....
'Experts' one and all, no doubt!
Yes Glenfeshie didn’t make many friends going all NZ style on the reds with the wokka wokka’s albeit it has quickly been forgotten about.....

It seems in ‘conservation’ there is only money in making sure the species your trying to ‘protect’ stay at a certain status or are seen to stay at that status. Drop in a few claims of ‘illegal persecution’ and your made.
 

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Yes Glenfeshie didn’t make many friends going all NZ style on the reds with the wokka wokka’s albeit it has quickly been forgotten about.....

It seems in ‘conservation’ there is only money in making sure the species your trying to ‘protect’ stay at a certain status or are seen to stay at that status. Drop in a few claims of ‘illegal persecution’ and your made.
With regards to the latter there are concerns that the current emphasis on tree planting will have a huge negative effect on birds with grass and bog habitats.
 

Mick9abf

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With regards to the latter there are concerns that the current emphasis on tree planting will have a huge negative effect on birds with grass and bog habitats.
Quite simply the people leading these ‘rewilding’ projects don’t or won’t listen. I’m afraid the RSPB are some of the worst offenders and change their minds the minute the see cash.

As I’ve already said, the best way for these groups to continue making money is to keep a species at risk as various funding bodies will continue to through money at it.
 

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Quite simply the people leading these ‘rewilding’ projects don’t or won’t listen. I’m afraid the RSPB are some of the worst offenders and change their minds the minute the see cash.

As I’ve already said, the best way for these groups to continue making money is to keep a species at risk as various funding bodies will continue to through money at it.

IIRC RSPB is one of the larger landowners in the country, they need the income to maintain their estates
 

Mick9abf

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IIRC RSPB is one of the larger landowners in the country, they need the income to maintain their estates
And pay their executive wages to the seniority and of course cover their allegedly massive pension deficit........... Put simply they will jump on any species, not even avian as we have seen, where they smell brass.

I imagine it would have probably been removed from search engines using google data (or whatever it is called), but I remember a while ago they strongly opposed a wind farm near one of their reserves due to the effect it would have in ground nesting birds and more importantly to them that cash cow of raptors.

After much debate, legal wrangling the result was the reduction of a handful of turbines, think it was 2-3 less than originally planned it was passed.

If I remember correctly it coincided with considerable ‘Donation’. Cynical, me.........
 

Oops

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IIRC RSPB is one of the larger landowners in the country, they need the income to maintain their estates
Substitute the word 'landowners' for 'hypocrites' and your statement still stands.

£7 mill mentioned in this this one alone.That's alot of salaries/ pensions taken care of for a while.
 

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Sorry to jump back a bit but dug the article out, well worth a read especially the bottom of the centre column right hand page.

Highlights the point made by others ref. Who's actually spending the money and doing the work out on the ground.

It's a pity these 'conservation' organisations can't get their heads round the evidence and try to actually achieve something worthwhile
 

Mick9abf

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Substitute the word 'landowners' for 'hypocrites' and your statement still stands.

£7 mill mentioned in this this one alone.That's alot of salaries/ pensions taken care of for a while.
It was a gamekeeper friend of mine who highlighted this issue initially and took photos as he saw them while on holiday.

Of course they were ‘later’ found to be legal (fancy that), but it’s always different rules for different schools.

The RSPB unsurprisingly were supportive in a group responsible for having Fenn traps made illegal for trapping of stoats which, incidentally they were trying to deal with (badly) in Orkney.

The result is a trap which costs 3-4 times as much as a snappy but that’s an aside. They then payed for someone to come from New Zealand I think it was with ‘specialist dogs’ to find the stoats which wasn’t very successful.

If there were PHD’s for burning through money with no benefit then they are strong contenders. To put it into perspective the cost of those dogs alone in Orkney would have covered a full time gamekeepers wages for a year.

If said keepers sole job was for stoat eradication I strongly suspect it would be far more successful and money well spent however that doesn’t fit in with their ‘image’, so much so that I believe that their wildlife ‘rangers’ who deal with pest species and deer culling aren’t allowed to speak about it.
 

Mick9abf

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Sorry to jump back a bit but dug the article out, well worth a read especially the bottom of the centre column right hand page.

Highlights the point made by others ref. Who's actually spending the money and doing the work out on the ground.

It's a pity these 'conservation' organisations can't get their heads round the evidence and try to actually achieve something worthwhile
linky no work
 

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Mick9abf

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This might be of interest
I know there’s Mink on the River Dee after some enlightened animal rights idiots broke into a mink farm years ago and released them. Now due to the unconsidered consequence of this ‘right on’ group of mongs the humble water vole is threatened.

Don’t worry though the usual suspects are saying they shouldn’t be touched.....


With beavers on the Tay getting the species protection decades after an illegal release perhaps the animal rights groups and extremists will have the wind in their sails and try and do the same for them. Madness.
 
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Oops

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I know there’s Mink on the River Dee after some enlightened animal rights idiots broke into a mink farm years ago and released them. Now due to the unconsidered consequence of this ‘right on’ group of mongs the humble water vole is threatened.

Don’t worry though the usual suspects are saying they shouldn’t be touched.....


With beavers on the Tay getting the species protection decades after an illegal release perhaps the animal rights groups and extremists will have the wind in their sails and try and do the same for them. Madness.
I can reliably report the slaying of a mink as far up as Fraser's Bridge on Clunie Water some years ago...
Traps weren't needed, however a barrage from .243x2 and a 22.250 was perhaps a bit Ott!
Even my companions were surprised just how far up the bugger was travelling.
( Mid winter, snow on the ground)
What justification whatsoever can be had for allowing them to clean up everything and everywhere?
I can see where they're coming from
re. Beavers (water retention is the New Religion outside the Medical profession)
Even Pine Martens have a case being indigenous, rare(!) and 'cute' thus ticking the BBC/ Attenborough test..

But f*ckin mink!

( D'y reckon they'll get import some Native American Injuns to hunt em in a few years time when there's nowt left?)
 

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I can reliably report the slaying of a mink as far up as Fraser's Bridge on Clunie Water some years ago...
Traps weren't needed, however a barrage from .243x2 and a 22.250 was perhaps a bit Ott!
Even my companions were surprised just how far up the bugger was travelling.
( Mid winter, snow on the ground)
What justification whatsoever can be had for allowing them to clean up everything and everywhere?
I can see where they're coming from
re. Beavers (water retention is the New Religion outside the Medical profession)
Even Pine Martens have a case being indigenous, rare(!) and 'cute' thus ticking the BBC/ Attenborough test..

But f*ckin mink!

( D'y reckon they'll get import some Native American Injuns to hunt em in a few years time when there's nowt left?)

Pine martens are actually useful in the fight against grey squirrels.

Reds are aware of them as a natural predator whereas greys, being imports are not. As such they take far more greys than reds.
 
Pine martens are actually useful in the fight against grey squirrels.

Reds are aware of them as a natural predator whereas greys, being imports are not. As such they take far more greys than reds.
This is slightly off topic, but as far as I know there are no capercaillie anywhere near me.
Before I moved away in 2013, red squirrel sightings in our town were rare. They could be seen outside the town, but I don't remember ever having actually seen one. When I returned in 2015, they had become common, and now I am as likely to see a red as a grey in my garden.

It has been widely reported that Pine Martens have become more widespread and numerous throughout the Ochils, and it seems that the positive correlation between the numbers of red squirrels and pine martens has some validity. I don't know of any other explanation for the resurgence of the reds in the area.
 

Niamac

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Don't get too excited. It's only a small planet and our lease will be expiring shortly.
 

Oops

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I've recently red a report on pine marten/ red squirrel balance...
There's definitely a boost with the predation of Gormless slow moving Grey's helping reds to recover, but one study in a Scandinavian/ Baltic Country where there is no grey population, reds accounted for 53% of the Martens' diet.

( Sorry for the thread drift)
 

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