Hmm. I wonder what the US military classification for the AA-12 is. you know, the one that it would have if it was an in-service weapon.

Originally Posted by incendiarycutlery

Hmm. I wonder what the US military classification for the AA-12 is. you know, the one that it would have if it was an in-service weapon.

Ooh I can't think. It would be ideal for culling the likes of joeblocky with though.

We used Remingtons in Sarawak to great effect...

Originally Posted by RavSeren

We used Remingtons in Sarawak to great effect...

oh there's nothing wrong with shotguns per se. It's just that joeblocky is a nob and talks out of his arrse.

I'd imagine that you had the Remington 870 pump. I have one and consider it to be as good as pump guns get.

Sorry if this has been bought up before, but a quick trawl didn't pick it up...

PDW's - P90, Mp7 et al - 5.7mm/4.6mm cartridges, yes I know their designed for armour penetration, but if it's arguable that 5.56 isn't powerful enough, how can anyone expect those rounds to be better? I remember reading a ballistics gel report done in yankland, where the Professor performing the test described the power (it was the p90's 5.7 round I think) as so weak it would put any mission where the weapon was used, into serious danger. I apologise, it was a while ago, i'll try dig it out.

The PDW concept is a good one, if old (M1 Carbine, anyone?) but surely just a smaller version of a full sized carbine is a better way to go? ie M416 in 10inch barrel config, or, even better, the http://www.lwrifles.com/Products/PSD...7/Default.aspx seems even better. Power and lightness

Originally Posted by Yeoman_dai

Sorry if this has been bought up before, but a quick trawl didn't pick it up...

PDW's - P90, Mp7 et al - 5.7mm/4.6mm cartridges, yes I know their designed for armour penetration, but if it's arguable that 5.56 isn't powerful enough, how can anyone expect those rounds to be better? I remember reading a ballistics gel report done in yankland, where the Professor performing the test described the power (it was the p90's 5.7 round I think) as so weak it would put any mission where the weapon was used, into serious danger. I apologise, it was a while ago, i'll try dig it out.

The PDW concept is a good one, if old (M1 Carbine, anyone?) but surely just a smaller version of a full sized carbine is a better way to go? ie M416 in 10inch barrel config, or, even better, the http://www.lwrifles.com/Products/PSD...7/Default.aspx seems even better. Power and lightness

I think really that the pistol is the ideal Personal Defence Weapon if it wasn't for the fact that hitting things with it take practice and users don't practice!

If you want to deal with threats further away you need a rifle. I think this is where the AR15/M16 concept originated - as a lightweight rifle for rear echelon troops who didn't need to be encumbered with a full sized battle rifle. That said, it's now become the benchmark of the infantry assault rifle.

Shotguns? Guns that fire shot?
Oh you must be the brains..... etc etc.
We have just rolled out Benelli for the point, so we will have a quick (2-3 rds rapid) area-ish weapon for initial contact. More nasty bits going in the right direction than a burst from 5.56mm!

Simples

Originally Posted by RavSeren

We used Remingtons in Sarawak to great effect...

You will be familiar with that most specialised of ammo, the Malay load then. :D The 870 was very good as point for jungle ops where initial contact was usually five meters or less. Shottys are bloody good when used sensibly, cant argue with the hole a one and a half ounce solid makes.

Originally Posted by EX_STAB

Originally Posted by RavSeren

We used Remingtons in Sarawak to great effect...

oh there's nothing wrong with shotguns per se. It's just that joeblocky is a nob and talks out of his arrse.

I'd imagine that you had the Remington 870 pump. I have one and consider it to be as good as pump guns get.

i think its you that is nob end cock sucker cnut......if have just said there no nothing wrong with the shotgun but yet you call me a nob for suggesting one....explain fuckwit..........

ps. shotgun loaded with buckshot or slugs is excellent for urban or jungle fighting where the range does not exceed 100 yards.

Originally Posted by .338lapua_magnum

Originally Posted by RavSeren

We used Remingtons in Sarawak to great effect...

You will be familiar with that most specialised of ammo, the Malay load then. :D The 870 was very good as point for jungle ops where initial contact was usually five meters or less. Shottys are bloody good when used sensibly, cant argue with the hole a one and a half ounce solid makes.

That's right, but I prefered a load of eight stainless steel ball bearings for the spread (the flechette load was far too accurate!).

Any armerours out there? In the early sixties we tested a rilfle/carbine auto/semi-auto that used small calibre (less than 7.62 but bigger than 5.56).
We loved it. It was short-ish, light and accurate but I have no idea now what it was. We heard it'd been turned down because you couldn't drill with it!
It wasn't an Armalite, we already had them. Any ideas anyone?