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**Confused_Andy** · 13-03-2008, 06:42

Well if theres an order for a couple of thousand units, the manufacturers would put a different rail fitment on.

**petergriffen** · 13-03-2008, 07:20

If the rails are from b&t they must be pricy.

**bobath** · 13-03-2008, 12:58

Why use the ACOG site at all? There is a pic about with a SUSAT with a red-dot site on the top in place of the EBS.

Is the ACOG sufficently better to require such a costly upgrade. I have only used one on COD4 so I can't say anything about the realy world site.

**chrisg46** · 13-03-2008, 13:06

How is the SUSAT "too complicated"?

**EX_STAB** · 13-03-2008, 13:24

Originally Posted by bobath

Why use the ACOG site at all? There is a pic about with a SUSAT with a red-dot site on the top in place of the EBS.

Is the ACOG sufficently better to require such a costly upgrade. I have only used one on COD4 so I can't say anything about the realy world site.

Principle differences:

The SUSAT is British made and features a fixed reticle (aiming post), external mechanical adjustment for zeroing and external range adjustment.

The US made ACOG has zeroing by way of internal adjustments to the reticle and range adjustment by use of multiple aiming points on the reticle.

Both use Tritium although the ACOG also has light gathering reticle illumination via fibreoptics.

Both could mount the miniature red - dot satisfactorily.

The SUSAT in theory ought to be more robust but modern scopes are very good in this regard anyway. The ACOG will be much quicker and easier to zero. Holding over for range would be easier with the ACOG and the sight picture is a lot easier to my mind. I think the ACOG sight picture would actually lead to better marksmanship but that's purely speculation based on my own experience.

The ACOG requires a different reticle (and hence scope for all practical purposes) to suit different weapons.
The SUSAT uses the same scope with a different elevation drum fitted in the mount.

SUSAT manufacturer's website:
http://www.usiltd.co.uk/usi.php?load...l&productid=27

ACOG mnfrs website:
http://www.trijicon.com/specialties/military.cfm

Trijicon reticle superimposed on a figure target outline. Note aiming points for various ranges. Perhaps it is a bit too fussy.

**Mr Happy** · 13-03-2008, 14:56

Having had the chance to use "THEM's" ACOG on a C8 (I think) I believe, during my brief fam the following list is a fair account of the differences:

1. wider field of view
2. the size of the horizontal bars is the width of a man so you aim higher to hit him at longer ranges

Not the best image I've seen but you can see the horizontal bars, simple put those between your targets shoulder and pull the trigger. Not sure how it works on a running man though!

3. Its lighter (apparently)
4. Better night performance (I was told). I believe it requires a battery, may be wrong here. But even without, its better than the SUSAT

Lastly,

Whilst SUSAT was liked on introduction, you have to remember everyone had iron sights or SUIT back then, it was seen as a great piece of kit and probably was, but like mobile phones, technology has changed.

**bobath** · 13-03-2008, 15:20

Thanks for that. Just a note, I KNOW WHAT A FECKING SUSAT IS!

Looks a little complex in those pics though. KISS applys at all times (it does in my unit anyway, that last S most of all). My service will be up by the time it comes in so I'm not worried.

As for it being lighter the Brit version will no doubt be made of lead and DU to over come that little problem.

**Mr Happy** · 13-03-2008, 15:26

Originally Posted by bobath

Thanks for that. Just a note, I KNOW WHAT A FECKING SUSAT IS!

Looks a little complex in those pics though. KISS applys at all times (it does in my unit anyway, that last S most of all). My service will be up by the time it comes in so I'm not worried.

As for it being lighter the Brit version will no doubt be made of lead and DU to over come that little problem.

I would be the last person to agree that THEY are smarter than the average soldier so if the door kickers can handle it, OC Stackers Sqn should have no problem, Its really easy and (here;s the important bit), if you can get some range practice in, you'll have no problem. Its a doozy. practice makes perfect..

**Whiskey_60** · 14-03-2008, 00:01

Theres a couple of pictures on ArmyNET, 2 PARAs pages of them doing pre tour training with the ACOGs fitted.

Its got like... an extension thing on so the sight sits quite high and looks really unnatural compared to the SUSAT.

Its hard to describe but for those without Armynet access im sure there will be pictures of them in Afg soon enough so you can see what I mean.

**bobath** · 14-03-2008, 13:56

I suppose with a bit of practice you can get used to anything. A sight is a sight after all.

Given that money's tight is it such a leap forward though that we should be spending cash on this, and the converter rails etc? I am not being difficult, I am just thinking of cost to benefit ratio. Like I said I've never used one so don't know the difference it makes.