ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Tinman74** · 17-03-2012, 19:43

Originally Posted by dingerr

That's all he wants it for.

I suppose young boys fantasise whilst real men work.

If it aint broke don't fix it, The Americans have seen the light and have it. Them being Septic or ours always will have and get the Gucci kit!!

**Krieg-Hammer** · 17-03-2012, 19:49

Originally Posted by dingerr

Why? What does it offer over the GPMG?

Because I have fired the fucker whilst on ranges with the Danes many moons ago. It's lighter (marginally), higher rate of fire and Is able to be magazine fed. It's a wet dream to fire. However where the GPMG wins is its effective range.

**AIRBORNEJOCK** · 17-03-2012, 20:53

Higher rate of fire is good why? You can't hit fuck all with it, need to carry more ammo to do the same job,absolute shite barrell change system.
If your that excited about its box for ammo you can get a 50 round one for the GPMG.

And I have fired it in the fatherland and got a pissy little silver lanyard for it......... Piece of gash!

**AIRBORNEJOCK** · 17-03-2012, 20:57

The medal and the gun!

**Krieg-Hammer** · 17-03-2012, 21:40

Originally Posted by AIRBORNEJOCK

Higher rate of fire is good why? You can't hit fuck all with it, need to carry more ammo to do the same job,absolute shite barrell change system.
If your that excited about its box for ammo you can get a 50 round one for the GPMG.

And I have fired it in the fatherland and got a pissy little silver lanyard for it......... Piece of gash!

'Zulus... Thousands of um....'

Hit feck all? Tell that to D-Day veterans when it's predecessor was raining lead on them...

**dingerr** · 17-03-2012, 21:45

Originally Posted by Krieg-Hammer

'Zulus... Thousands of um....'

Hit feck all? Tell that to D-Day veterans when it's predecessor was raining lead on them...

I think ABJ was referring to being a little more professional with MGs in particular and more specifically in relation to the density of rounds within the beaten zone.

**AIRBORNEJOCK** · 17-03-2012, 22:27

Exactly even the battalions shittest shot would have struggled not to do some damage on the normandy beaches.

**bakerlite** · 17-03-2012, 22:36

Originally Posted by Stonker

That's an opinion. Problem with heavy rounds like 7.62 is that you can carry fewer for a given weight, than of a smaller round.

Unless you have the physique of the incredible hulk, that means you can wind up under-dressed quite early in the fight.

True, but did anyone ask you how many rounds, mags and pouches you would feel comfortable carrying. Me neither, but as an assiduous collector I upscaled whenever possible, despite being 11 stone wringing wet. The weight of "war scales" of 7.62 may have been a limiting factor somewhere in the supply chain, but not I would suggest with the end user.

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**jimmys_best_mate** · 17-03-2012, 22:40

Originally Posted by Krieg-Hammer

Hit feck all? Tell that to D-Day veterans when it's predecessor was raining lead on them...

Sitting in a bunker on top of a cliff while thousands of men leave some small boats and attempt to advance up open beaches can't have been the most difficult range day going, can it?

**Stonker** · 17-03-2012, 22:40

You and I are as one on this

Originally Posted by dingerr

Logistically a poor choice.

H83 of 7.62 - 400
H83 of 5.56 - 900

Besides its been shown 6.5mm is a better calibre than both 5.56mm and 7.62mm.

Means both those calibres are logistically a poor choice

FFS, why hump a ton of 5.56 bullets, knowing they won't do the necessary damage at the ranges you have to fight at, or hump a lesser total of 7.62, knowing - even if you shoot well - that you'll prob'ly run out of them before you've done enough damage with what you can carry.

6.5-ish is patently the way to go, and has been for over 2 generations, but we won't bite the bullet . . . (?)

Laugh or cry? I dunno which is more appropriate.