My main experience with buying surplus kit was getting two complete sets of trousers and shirt/jacket/thing CS95 out of a store in Inverness which had a lot of stuff like that for sale. Which was nice, as most of my squadron were still rocking up with trs lwt and jersey horrible wool and shirt gopping sweaty.

Made Oi larf when my SSM asked me where my lightweights and stuff were and I replied that I had left it at home as I was aware that CS95 were now allowed to be worn in the Regiment and she didn't have much of a comeback. I never even got extras for it either.

One of my CS95 field jackets had a Trials kit red tag sewn in, and I still own it. I always thought Trials Kit got seriously binned?

Tam

Originally Posted by Victorian_Major

Why is Arrse getting all worried about MTP leaking into the civilian market? envy?

VERY possibly ... a couple of Bears are quite excited about the possibility of getting into MTP!!

At least the RAF knows it will never have any kit that anyone, anywhere, even in Darkest Africa, will ever want to buy!

All the quims doing the whinging aren't even serving. Be sure to look out for all my black bag goodies on sale on ebay, just like the other 3 sets. This time, seeing as it's MTP I should be able to stretch to 2 weeks in Mexico instead of Greece. Cheers easy.

Originally Posted by blue-sophist

And where's the MTP for the Slingsby Team?

In the bloody tumble drier on repeat. Even I'm not that small ...

My mtp is official, I am sending this on my phone from a weird place called Wales so I can't answer in full coz my comms are poor. MoD are fully aware I am selling it. I will answer all pm's tomorrow cheers David

Originally Posted by Gearspotter

Correct - if it's MTP then its not for sale.

The design is licensed as well so if someone tried to knock it off/change it slightly, then they can still be prosecuted accordingly.

Most items sold as MTP are actually Multicam.

Further to Gearspotter's comments above and my own little rant.

Been making a few phone calls, spoken to a few friendly contacts. GENUINE people who work within various parts of MOD
( intelligent property licensing ) and the guys who work at only company licensed to print MTP!!!!

Yeah!! some one is telling porky pies about MTP. Because as far as they're concerned nothing has been released from that company to any companies, other than those specified by the MOD. Currently they are producing exclusively for UK MOD, and it's contractors.
No licenses has been given out to anyone, other than MOD approved manufacturers.
Even unit equipment repairers aren't being given the fabrics. Theres nothing to repair yet!!!

Note book covers! common seriously?!
Yeah ok SF this that and the other. means nothing to real soldiers. anyone can name drop and whack SF tactical nylon etc at the end of it.

MTP / MULTICAM BUCKLES. What???? how are they going to manage that???? If they can mold 7 diffrent coloured acetal onto one piece of 1" buckle then I will be well impressed, otherwise they're going to have to have the buckles painted. guest what. it aint gonna last.
coyote brown dude. look at the big companies and small, even individuals making gear. Black is pump! Coyote brown is the industry standard. You above all should know that. Well if you ever used the gear you would.

Yeah multicam tape looks good but it wears off extremely quickly. it doesn't hold very well on the light coyote tan surface its printed on ie it fades really quick, and its got nice shiny edges. lol thats the nylon issue. the other stuff which is printed on polyester well might be strong ish but still fray big time as its not as abrasive resistant as nylon.

I'm sharing the facts that I was given from the people who actually deal with UK MTP as of 14:35 29/07/10

contact left dont take this a punch to the throat but more of a well you figure it out.

Gearspotter feel free to PM me dude.
contact left dont even bother

Why do people really care if the stuff is being sold/copied? Prior to the introduction of fleabay people flogged shite amongst the blokes and elsewhere for years, ever since an item of equipment was issued to a British soldier it has been flogged for various reasons, the funny thing about this perticular gear is no one in the military should be buying it seeing as if you ain't been issued it you can't use it as no one else in your unit will have it and if your unit has been issued it why pay daft prices when you can go through the diffy/exchange process. If blokes are desperate to get the kit Then get on tour in a frontline role and it's free.

Originally Posted by Dollsteeth

Why do people really care if the stuff is being sold/copied? Prior to the introduction of fleabay people flogged shite amongst the blokes and elsewhere for years, ever since an item of equipment was issued to a British soldier it has been flogged for various reasons, the funny thing about this perticular gear is no one in the military should be buying it seeing as if you ain't been issued it you can't use it as no one else in your unit will have it and if your unit has been issued it why pay daft prices when you can go through the diffy/exchange process. If blokes are desperate to get the kit Then get on tour in a frontline role and it's free.

Whatever.

Any professional soldier will allways have tailored kit. its ally, makes you individual. and yes unless ur in the guards you can wear what ever gear you have, aprt from armour and armour carriers incl helmets due to insurance issues. MTP is issued to anyone deploying on herrick. the wider tri services should have UK MTP issued ready for the official uniform change some time in 2011.

Mate if you wanna crack on with plce then be my guest but I'm happy with my home made Molle and various purchased items.
Are the mil stores issuing IFAKs tear away med pouches. No?

Didnt think so. There for its up to the individual proffessional soldier to get his/her equipment else where. hence why there are houndreds of companies out there producing tactical gear.

answer you question?

when was you last on the front line?

blokes like to have their gear good to go from the start of pdt so they can get used to it.

Originally Posted by just_tom

Further to Gearspotter's comments above and my own little rant.

Been making a few phone calls, spoken to a few friendly contacts. GENUINE people who work within various parts of MOD
( intelligent property licensing ) and the guys who work at only company licensed to print MTP!!!!

Yeah!! some one is telling porky pies about MTP. Because as far as they're concerned nothing has been released from that company to any companies, other than those specified by the MOD. Currently they are producing exclusively for UK MOD, and it's contractors.
No licenses has been given out to anyone, other than MOD approved manufacturers.
Even unit equipment repairers aren't being given the fabrics. Theres nothing to repair yet!!!

Note book covers! common seriously?!
Yeah ok SF this that and the other. means nothing to real soldiers. anyone can name drop and whack SF tactical nylon etc at the end of it.

MTP / MULTICAM BUCKLES. What???? how are they going to manage that???? If they can mold 7 diffrent coloured acetal onto one piece of 1" buckle then I will be well impressed, otherwise they're going to have to have the buckles painted. guest what. it aint gonna last.
coyote brown dude. look at the big companies and small, even individuals making gear. Black is pump! Coyote brown is the industry standard. You above all should know that. Well if you ever used the gear you would.

Yeah multicam tape looks good but it wears off extremely quickly. it doesn't hold very well on the light coyote tan surface its printed on ie it fades really quick, and its got nice shiny edges. lol thats the nylon issue. the other stuff which is printed on polyester well might be strong ish but still fray big time as its not as abrasive resistant as nylon.

I'm sharing the facts that I was given from the people who actually deal with UK MTP as of 14:35 29/07/10

contact left dont take this a punch to the throat but more of a well you figure it out.

Gearspotter feel free to PM me dude.
contact left dont even bother

I am not going to bother PM ing you so dont worry Just_Tom, as far as the colour of buckles go, I supply what I am asked for if someone wants green they can have green if they wants coyote tan they can have coyote tan. Its up to the individual themselves, if a guy from a regiment wants a certain colour or set up I always get extra made and then advertise them. I am certainly not saying that what I supply is the best out there but I do listen and get advice from experts in the field. The colours I supply kit in is not just Multicam and DPM, I supply olive green, auscam and loads more and often get individual items made up for units or individuals. I am not restricted by industry standards, I can put red buckles on if people want, its up to them. As for fading or fraying of any of the materials that are used, if this happens anyone is able to send it back at any time during its life span, no problems so far but if there is I will sort it out. I run a small company and my selling MTP is not to upset people just to give myself an advantage in the market. If anything that comes from me is not upto the job then please send back, give me a call or if you are travelling up north, pop in and have a cup of tea.

I have just had a 33 minute call with the MoD, apparently the head of IP and one thing that is very interesting is that he said the the British Military should not wear any Multicam what so ever, he said that they should only wear MTP if they have been issued the kit and there should be no mixture of kit as it is to create an identity. I find it quite difficult to tell the difference myself (I obviously can though) and how this is regulated will be difficult because as others have said no commercial license will be issued for MTP so its time to get rid of all the multicam stuff that’s been bought (camelbaks etc etc) me thinks not.

As for a punch in the throat from Just_Tom, I like a good argument. Once again thanks to the arrse website for letting me come on and defend myself and thanks for everyones support.

Originally Posted by just_tom

Whatever.

Any professional soldier will allways have tailored kit. its ally, makes you individual. and yes unless ur in the guards you can wear what ever gear you have, aprt from armour and armour carriers incl helmets due to insurance issues. MTP is issued to anyone deploying on herrick. the wider tri services should have UK MTP issued ready for the official uniform change some time in 2011.

Mate if you wanna crack on with plce then be my guest but I'm happy with my home made Molle and various purchased items.
Are the mil stores issuing IFAKs tear away med pouches. No?

Didnt think so. There for its up to the individual proffessional soldier to get his/her equipment else where. hence why there are houndreds of companies out there producing tactical gear.

answer you question?

when was you last on the front line?

blokes like to have their gear good to go from the start of pdt so they can get used to it.

What the fuck are you on about you loon? how did you get any of that in response to my last post????

What you should have understood was that the mtp clothing for sale on fleabay is unlikely to be bought by serving soldiers because either:

A) their unit isnt wearing it so why bother buying clothing at extortionate prices when you cant wear it.
B) their unit is issued it so they can go diffy/exchange if they so wish so why buy it for more.

You also really shouldnt pull the whole 'front line' rubbish on here when you dont know who else is posting and their Operational experience, you only end up looking like a twat.