ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Cuddles** · 25-02-2010, 11:15

Originally Posted by pommydigger

Originally Posted by Cuddles

The FIDF do not have "the Steyr", the have the Army Universal Gun (AUG) which is manufactured by Steyr-Mannlicher in Kleinraming. If you were going to call the bloody thing by it's manufacturer's name, you would be better off calling it a Mannlicher - because Steyr is a geographical term relating to Styria, a province of Austria renowned for its hunting and weaponry.

I am sorry. I have had a very frustrating morning and that brings out the pedant in me...not that it has far to travel!

Armee Universal Gewehr (AUG)

Ah you rat, you got me. Ouch, targets will fall when hit!

**Lighthorseman** · 25-02-2010, 11:33

I've used all three - F88A1 Austeyr, SA80A1 and A2.

F88A1 was definitely better than the A1 (no sh*t) but like many of the lads have said the A2 is a vast improvement.

That said, although the standard site on the F88A1 is rubbish (replaced by the Wildcat I think for some) it has some great ergonimic features, which was pretty unique given that the weapon was designed in the 1970s:

- See through magazine - for a quick visual on how many rounds are left
- Safety Catch - very simple to operate (agree with some of the previous posts though about Safety)
- Two trigger pressures - Semi-Auto and Full Auto - so no need to adjust any Fire Selector
- Left Hand Firers - can be simply changed by an armourer to accomodate Lefties

**pommydigger** · 25-02-2010, 11:38

Originally Posted by Lighthorseman

I've used all three - F88A1 Austeyr, SA80A1 and A2.

F88A1 was definitely better than the A1 (no sh*t) but like many of the lads have said the A2 is a vast improvement.

That said, although the standard site on the F88A1 is rubbish (replaced by the Wildcat I think for some) it has some great ergonimic features, which was pretty unique given that the weapon was designed in the 1970s:

- See through magazine - for a quick visual on how many rounds are left
- Safety Catch - very simple to operate (agree with some of the previous posts though about Safety)
- Two trigger pressures - Semi-Auto and Full Auto - so no need to adjust any Fire Selector
- Left Hand Firers - can be simply changed by an armourer to accomodate Lefties

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**wager** · 25-02-2010, 12:34

There is quite a thread about the Steyr on the Irish Military Online site. Some on there are saying they want a replacement, some that it's OK. It's been going since 2007!

A site populated by walts and fantasists - but if you've time on your hands and want to read the regurgitated opinions of underemployed reserists, then you've found the right place!

**flamingo** · 25-02-2010, 13:15

Originally Posted by wager

There is quite a thread about the Steyr on the Irish Military Online site. Some on there are saying they want a replacement, some that it's OK. It's been going since 2007!

A site populated by walts and fantasists - but if you've time on your hands and want to read the regurgitated opinions of underemployed reserists, then you've found the right place!

A bit like here then?

Just thought it might be of interest as they actually use the weapon in question.

What's a reserists, by the way?

**smallbrownprivates** · 25-02-2010, 13:34

Originally Posted by Lighthorseman

I've used all three - F88A1 Austeyr, SA80A1 and A2.

F88A1 was definitely better than the A1 (no sh*t) but like many of the lads have said the A2 is a vast improvement.

That said, although the standard site on the F88A1 is rubbish (replaced by the Wildcat I think for some) it has some great ergonimic features, which was pretty unique given that the weapon was designed in the 1970s:

- See through magazine - for a quick visual on how many rounds are left
- Safety Catch - very simple to operate (agree with some of the previous posts though about Safety)
- Two trigger pressures - Semi-Auto and Full Auto - so no need to adjust any Fire Selector
- Left Hand Firers - can be simply changed by an armourer to accomodate Lefties

Did a March and Shoot against Kiwis Mil a few years ago. They had AUGs and Minimis, we had A1s and LSWs.

Won, but had complaints from the Kiwis that the "telescopic" sight (i.e. The SUSAT) made it an unfair match.
IIRC their sight was x1.5 and had still had the round reticule (not sure how as the aussies had gone for cross hairs in their locally produced versions), so the SUSAT's x4 did give a bit of an edge

**Cutaway** · 25-02-2010, 15:31

Originally Posted by smallbrownprivates

Won, but had complaints from the Kiwis that the "telescopic" sight (i.e. The SUSAT) made it an unfair match.
IIRC their sight was x1.5 and had still had the round reticule (not sure how as the aussies had gone for cross hairs in their locally produced versions), so the SUSAT's x4 did give a bit of an edge

Other way around I believe.
Parts of the Oz army asked for crosshairs to be placed in the circle but were overruled by people far more clever than them - ie those that won't have to use the wpn.

When the Kiwis had the rifle foisted on them, still produced at Lithgow, they magically received exactly what they wanted in the way of reticle - crosshairs within a circle.

**Alsacien** · 25-02-2010, 15:46

The pukka Austrian Steyr AUG is now available in version A3:

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/inde...7c022e5bd8e878

**Alsacien** · 25-02-2010, 15:54

Semi-auto civvy version goes for Euro 1900 in Germany:

http://www.sport-jagdwaffen.de/produ...adegewehr.html

**Apod** · 25-02-2010, 16:35

Originally Posted by wager

There is quite a thread about the Steyr on the Irish Military Online site. Some on there are saying they want a replacement, some that it's OK. It's been going since 2007!

A site populated by walts and fantasists - but if you've time on your hands and want to read the regurgitated opinions of underemployed reserists, then you've found the right place!

Not everybody who posts there is a reservist.There are a minority of us who post there who are professional soldiers of all ranks.Most of us fulltimers who post there do so to correct and inform the aforementioned underused reservists and to weed out the walts. :D Oh and BTW we also have a few of her majestys finest posting there too