Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Originally Posted by Stan_Da_Bout

Agreed, a support weapon is designed to lay down a beaten zone and supress the enemy with maximum violence. Oh sorry we aren't allowed to say or use violence now are we or someone may get there human rights infringed.... Sorry, off on on.

How many are on crack tonight? There hasn't been a fully automatic weapon yet invented where a five round burst will result in all five rounds entering the first firing hole. If there was the inventor would be very rich indeed.

Again, agreed and... Didn't I just say that? I must be losing it or pissed.....

Anyone do the range shoot at vogelsang,where you would shoot across the lake at the targets on the other bank...I think it was beneath the hill with the eagle supposebly marked out in trees on it?( might be wrong,memory is crap now )

Anyway,I reckon that lake was a good 500 yards across and it was the first time I had ever fired a LMG/Bren.Got told to feel the trigger to get single shots by the instructor as he wanted to show how accurate it was.....and it was damn accurate,got most the targets down that I could only just barely see through the leaf sight...or maybe just luck.

Tried it with a bipod GPMG and being a little skinny thing back I just about managed to get all the rounds flying in the rough direction of the far bank.

#edited to say,nothing wrong with the GPMG....I was just too little to control the thing on my first shoot#

Originally Posted by Ulster_Rifleman

The LMG was never a 'sniper' rifle nor was it ever intended to be. It was a superb fully automatic and accurate full bore weapon. it was 'too accurate' to ever be considered a 'machine gun' as we understand that term today.

Fuck me ragged. Are you on drugs? How can a machine gun be too accurate to be considered a machine gun? I have worked with machine guns for twenty years. I would give my back teeth to have a machine gun which is that accurate my men could pick of individual targets at 800m with a short burst. At that range no matter what the MG it is the skill of the firer, the right weather elements and a bit of luck to hit a target with a 2-3rnd burst.

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Originally Posted by Ulster_Rifleman

The LMG was never a 'sniper' rifle nor was it ever intended to be. It was a superb fully automatic and accurate full bore weapon. it was 'too accurate' to ever be considered a 'machine gun' as we understand that term today.

Fuck me ragged. Are you on drugs? How can a machine gun be too accurate to be considered a machine gun? I have worked with machine guns for twenty years. I would give my back teeth to have a machine gun which is that accurate my men could pick of individual targets at 800m with a short burst. At that range no matter what the MG it is the skill of the firer, the right weather elements and a bit of luck to hit a target with a 2-3rnd burst.

:D Your probably right, again agreed but that is not the role a LMG (not an L4 but a Light MachineGun) was designed for, that's the crux of the discussion, if not a little off topic but still entertaining.

Strapped to a Cheiftain the GPMG was like a fecking hose!

Originally Posted by Ulster_Rifleman

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Agreed, to a point.

The LMG was never a 'sniper' rifle nor was it ever intended to be. It was a superb fully automatic and accurate full bore weapon. it was 'too accurate' to ever be considered a 'machine gun' as we understand that term today.

I have never suggested otherwise.

It did however, in it's day, provide a section with reach and firepower and did it quite well.

Don't agree with me to any point - I was taking the piss!

Originally Posted by Stan_Da_Bout

:D Your probably right, again agreed but that is not the role a LMG (not an L4 but a Light MachineGun) was designed for, that's the crux of the discussion, if not a little off topic but still entertaining.

So what was a LMG designed for? I was under the impression it was to kill the enemy at a greater range. Are people telling me it was binned because it was too good at killing the enemy at long ranges?


Fucking mongs honest!

The LSW is a different bag of fish when we have weapon systems such as the GPMG and the minimi that can out perform it. So why have it?

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Originally Posted by Stan_Da_Bout

:D Your probably right, again agreed but that is not the role a LMG (not an L4 but a Light MachineGun) was designed for, that's the crux of the discussion, if not a little off topic but still entertaining.

So what was the LMG designed for? I was under the impression it was to kill the enemy at a greater range. Are people telling me it was binned because it was too good at killing the enemy at long ranges?


Fucking mongs honest!

Maybe it was considered unsporting? "I say Smythe; knock your machine gunners off for the afternoon, the enemy are dropping like flies - terribly bad form what!"

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Originally Posted by Stan_Da_Bout

:D Your probably right, again agreed but that is not the role a LMG (not an L4 but a Light MachineGun) was designed for, that's the crux of the discussion, if not a little off topic but still entertaining.

So what was the LMG designed for? I was under the impression it was to kill the enemy at a greater range. Are people telling me it was binned because it was too good at killing the enemy at long ranges?


Fucking mongs honest!

I cannot believe you are that ill informed FFS you are just on a wind up. I'm not biting so there. You know full well the LMG role is to supress while the section (or whatever) gets closer to do the gory bit. look a little bigger than what you think you know. Now behave. Out.

Originally Posted by Stan_Da_Bout

I cannot believe you are that ill informed FFS you are just on a wind up. I'm not biting so there. You know full well the LMG role is to supress while the section (or whatever) gets closer to do the gory bit. look a little bigger than what you think you know. Now behave. Out.

What I think I know! I've probably been in more firefights than you've been in the NAAFI. Are you saying the LSW or LMG needs to be quite inaccurate to be able to do its job properly or needs to be accurate to do its job properly?

Originally Posted by Ulster_Rifleman

Originally Posted by HectortheInspector

I never used the Bren or LMG, but some of the old and bold might be able to tell us what the effective range was. i'm pretty sure it was over 600m.

Not a firearms expert by a long chalk but used to be quite good with the BREN/LMG. It was certainly good out to 600m (but not much more), was very controllable and could put down a good weight of very accurate fire in 2 - 3 round bursts in the right hands, so virtually all rounds aimed.

It also was really a marksman's weapon rather than a support weapon and suffered from being magazine fed.

Some have said that it was too accurate, but it was certainly a pleasure to fire

BREN was originally intended to be fielded with a X3 scope, the same one that ended up on the No.4 (T)
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