LSW...the Armys view...

**big_les** · 10-01-2010, 13:35

Originally Posted by instinct

Originally Posted by big_les

Originally Posted by Sanguis

It certainly looks like a thirty round mag.

I've only ever seen it in-game with a drum, as in these screenshots;

http://www.themodernwarfare2.com/mw2...-guns/l86-lsw/

Leaving aside for the moment that it would be difficult/impossible to use a drum mag with SA80 series weapons.

And you think that would stop Infinity Ward from implementing it in a console shooter for 12-year-olds with ADHD?

I dont remember the LSDub having a carrying handle either, its a pity as i thought CoD 4 was rather realistic.

Nah. It's Doom with a tacticool makeover. Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising is much more like it.

**KingOfKings** · 10-01-2010, 17:02

At the expense of not reading the entire thread..

What would make the LSW a viable weapon system, what would you see done to it to improve it?

Over to you gents

**instinct** · 10-01-2010, 17:14

Originally Posted by big_les

Originally Posted by instinct

Originally Posted by big_les

Originally Posted by Sanguis

It certainly looks like a thirty round mag.

I've only ever seen it in-game with a drum, as in these screenshots;

http://www.themodernwarfare2.com/mw2...-guns/l86-lsw/

Leaving aside for the moment that it would be difficult/impossible to use a drum mag with SA80 series weapons.

And you think that would stop Infinity Ward from implementing it in a console shooter for 12-year-olds with ADHD?

I dont remember the LSDub having a carrying handle either, its a pity as i thought CoD 4 was rather realistic.

Nah. It's Doom with a tacticool makeover. Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising is much more like it.

For a console game, OpF died for me when it went console, PC is the only place for realism!

**EX_STAB** · 10-01-2010, 17:45

Originally Posted by KingOfKings

At the expense of not reading the entire thread..

What would make the LSW a viable weapon system, what would you see done to it to improve it?

Over to you gents

Check PMs.

**Dossbag** · 10-01-2010, 17:53

Originally Posted by KingOfKings

What would make the LSW a viable weapon system, what would you see done to it to improve it?

Mag to grid the whole thing, seriously, especially now the DMR is coming in it is literally a dead useless weight. This isn't me being sensationalist, this is the thing that those in charge need to wise up to and bite the bullet.

**KingOfKings** · 10-01-2010, 18:02

Originally Posted by Dossbag

Originally Posted by KingOfKings

What would make the LSW a viable weapon system, what would you see done to it to improve it?

Mag to grid the whole thing, seriously, especially now the DMR is coming in it is literally a dead useless weight. This isn't me being sensationalist, this is the thing that those in charge need to wise up to and bite the bullet.

Lets be sure about the L129A1, it is not a DMR it is a Sharpshooter rifle. It is there to engage targets up to 800m. If you want a DMR then the LSW would make a good rifle for applications up to 600m, it is still effective to that distance.

How do you think you could improve the LSW...

**Dossbag** · 10-01-2010, 18:10

In that case the Outrigger and Bipod are the most urgent requirements for change, in my opinion. I don't know enough about either to suggest a replacement, but there must be something lighter, easy to deploy/put away and more effective at adjusting bipod height.

**KingOfKings** · 10-01-2010, 18:40

Well thats a good start, anything else?

**Majorpain** · 10-01-2010, 18:49

The outrigger is a relic of its LMG days, it no longer needs to put down more rounds downrange than the SA80

As for what other nations have done, what about this?

Chinese Type 95, not exactly sniper level bipod, but atleast proves that you dont need the outrigger!

**Dossbag** · 10-01-2010, 18:59

I always thought that an extended front hand grip with a forward folding bipod would be best, i expect somebody that knows more about these things than i will give a good reason why that is a bad idea, but it was what constantly occurred to me whenever i was lugging about the crow cannon.

EDIT - Only just popped into my head that you could stick a RIS grip on it ala the L85 and use that for a bipod instead? Turning into literally a long barrelled L85, no outrigger or anything. Probably a crap idea but hey.

**KingOfKings** · 10-01-2010, 19:14

So all you want it a different outrigger, bipod and a front mounted downgrip..

Would you like to see any like a better sight, quad rail picatinny hand guard, less weight, improved trigger pull, more comfortable cheek piece etc?

**EX_STAB** · 10-01-2010, 19:14

The bipod needs to be just forward of the gas block. THE rest of the meccano forward of that can go.

The question really needs to be asked: "What is the difference between L85 and L86?"

Put a folding bipod on L85 and I fail to see what L86 does differently apart from being slightly longer with a marginally higher velocity.

Here's a bipod of the type to fit the quad rail forend.
http://www.opsgear.com/PhotoGallery....e=LPR-TL-BP69S

**Cutaway** · 10-01-2010, 19:15

Originally Posted by Majorpain

The outrigger is a relic of its LMG days, it no longer needs to put down more rounds downrange than the SA80

As for what other nations have done, what about this?

Chinese Type 95, not exactly sniper level bipod, but atleast proves that you dont need the outrigger!

**Dossbag** · 10-01-2010, 19:17

Agreed, concentrate on shooting well with the IW instead of trying to make the LSW into something that nobody wants.

**EX_STAB** · 10-01-2010, 19:17

Originally Posted by KingOfKings

So all you want it a different outrigger, bipod and a front mounted downgrip..

Would you like to see any like a better sight, quad rail picatinny hand guard, less weight, improved trigger pull, more comfortable cheek piece etc?

The whole SA80 Family needs an improved trigger!

Thing is, there's so much wrong with the basic design of SA80 it';s just like polishing a turd, even if it is now a reliable turd.