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stevieni22 · 16-10-2009, 08:11

The standard issue egg banjo put your life in danger the army give u eggs and bread!!!! mmmmmm

**tropper66** · 16-10-2009, 08:21

Originally Posted by rampant

Originally Posted by hairymonster1006

Colour Sergeant Bourne: It's a miracle.
Lieutenant John Chard: If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.
Colour Sergeant Bourne: And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind.

(with a bit of help from the Swiss to design the thing)

I see your Martini Henry

and raise you:

still in use in India, Pakistan, Nepal and occassionally popping up in the dustbowl of dreams even today. Soviets hated the damn thing during their little visit.

Both Lee and Henry were Americans

**rampant** · 16-10-2009, 08:27

Originally Posted by tropper66

Both Lee and Henry were Americans

James Paris Lee

Born in Hawick, Scotland the Lee family emigrated to Galt, Ontario in Canada c.1835 when James was 4.

He built his first gun at the age of 12, using an old horse-pistol barrel, a newly carved walnut stock, and a priming pan made from a halfpenny. The gun failed to function effectively when first fired, but started Lee's interest in gunsmithing and invention.

In 1858, James Lee and his wife Caroline Lee (nee Chrysler, of the later automotive family) moved to Wisconsin, where they had two sons- William (born in 1859) and George (1860).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Paris_Lee

Lee's ours

Alexander Henry was a Scottish gunsmith, and designer of the Henry rifling used in the Martini-Henry rifle.

He submitted a rifle to the competition organised by the British government for a replacement to their existing Snider-Enfield service weapon. The government did not adopt its action, but did adopt its seven-grooved rifling scheme

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Henry_(gunsmith)

**ugly** · 16-10-2009, 08:31

Lee was a scot, a porrige wog, typical septics trying to claim him. Henry was Scottish too Alexander Henry invented the pattern of rifling, you are confusing him with the Henry of the Winchester Rifle era, (Henry Yellow boy etc)

Bugger distracted in my post by totty!

**meridian** · 16-10-2009, 08:42

Originally Posted by scots_wahey

Originally Posted by Sun_Too

Retread2: "Couldn't we (well, you) arrange the manufacture of more ammo?"

OTS is on to it, if you read my post again, I tried to say it in the last sentence: "(...) I think BAE realised there's only one path to follow if they want to produce something that people actually want to buy." For a commercial company, this is Business Administration 101.

It doesn't really help if we all love HESH if nobody is buying.
Check this site for viable alternatives:
http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/i...?fid=5051ã€ˆ=3
Also google DIME: Dense Inert Metal Explosive. Tested out in the recent Gaza conflict.

My (possibly out of date) info was that the CR2 upgrade had been shelved as a PR09 cost saving? If not then it certainly should be now when the powers that be are seriously considering stopping all Fd Army CR2 activity to save some cash. And not being a member of the RAC I would ask why are we the only Nation who feel it necessary to have HESH in our ammo racks? I thought that APFSDS was the main round and this is more effective when fired from a smoothbore gun than a rifled gun (hence the slipping driving band)?

Its all about range and effect on target I think

Wasnt the longest recorded tank on tank enagement done by a CR2 with HESH

**Cougar** · 16-10-2009, 08:43

Shirt KF.

58 Pattern Largepack.

MK IV Steel Helmet.

**llech** · 16-10-2009, 08:59

Originally Posted by Cougar

Shirt KF.

58 Pattern Largepack.

MK IV Steel Helmet.

Must admit 58 patt webbing was - in its time - a well thought out system. Just a shame it shrank when wet. The large pack however was a fcuking abortion.

**Cougar** · 16-10-2009, 09:00

Originally Posted by llech

Originally Posted by Cougar

Shirt KF.

58 Pattern Largepack.

MK IV Steel Helmet.

Must admit 58 patt webbing was - in its time - a well thought out system. Just a shame it shrank when wet. The large pack however was a fcuking abortion.

And increased in weight two-fold!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/58-Pattern-Web...item3a53b10ce7

**Dossbag** · 16-10-2009, 09:09

Treacle Pudding, the only issue ration in the world that would stop a round better than the issue body armour. A little known fact is that Osprey plates are in fact out-of-date Treacle puddings glued together with a fancy cover on.