ARmy Rumour SErvice

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Originally Posted by EX_STAB

I'd be more concerned as to whether it has the right IRR properties than what pattern the fabric has.

Please tell me that is a wah?

Actually no - he's right. Fundamentally most camouflage patterns are as effective as each other. As long as colours, density and luminescence are the same, the pattern make no difference. Commerical kit rarely, if ever, has the correct, if any, IRR quality. As a result, when viewed through a night site such as CWS, it glows like Blackpool illuminations making you a fantastic target! Issue kit has been specifically designed to be as camouflaged in the near-IR as the visual wavebands so it blends in properly.

A lot of people think this doesn't matter in ops cos the bad guys don't have night sights (are you sure?). Unfortunately a video camera with low-light capability is quite effective as a night viewing aid even if you cannot use it as a sight.

Long story short - it may be boring but use the issue kit cos its designed to do the job you need rather than meet some spurious fashion trend. I appreciate the 30l day sack has problems with Osprey compatability which is why we are replacing it on Ops but at least it won't let you be seen.

Originally Posted by Gearspotter

A lot of people think this doesn't matter in ops cos the bad guys don't have night sights (are you sure?). Unfortunately a video camera with low-light capability is quite effective as a night viewing aid even if you cannot use it as a sight.

IMO any soldier whose first concern when buying a Daysack is its IRR qualities is a soldier who is scared shitless of going on operations. The sort who would welcome osprey leggings.

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Originally Posted by Gearspotter

A lot of people think this doesn't matter in ops cos the bad guys don't have night sights (are you sure?). Unfortunately a video camera with low-light capability is quite effective as a night viewing aid even if you cannot use it as a sight.

IMO any soldier whose first concern when buying a Daysack is its IRR qualities is a soldier who is scared shitless of going on operations. The sort who would welcome osprey leggings.

I suppose it must look ally more than anything else eh? ;)

Not really. Being the correct size with enough compartments and the ability to fit a Camelbak inner fits the bill more. A Camelbak Motherlode fits the bill perfectly. Whether it is visible to the enemy or not is irrelevant to me and everyone I know. The only people who think they can become invisible to the enemy are those who have never fought the enemy.

Originally Posted by EX_STAB

I'd be more concerned as to whether it has the right IRR properties than what pattern the fabric has.

Please..... Can't move for the guys I know in the British Army who regularly carry IR scopes never mind our current enemy. And What about those little square reflective patches we had to sew on (I know not for IR) in theatre??

I've never used IR sights or night vision gear, but have used image intensifier type night obs quite a lot. Cheapo non-IRR gear does seem to light up (even dark colours seem like a bright light green), but to be perfectly honest long grass and other vegetation shows up as the same colour so it's unlikely to be a problem.

Any SNCO with any common sense should not look at any item of kit and ban its use just because of the colour camo its made in. As long as its practical and works who gives a fcuk what type of DPM it is.

Originally Posted by sandmanfez

So what you're after is an IRR, Molle compatible medic pack.....like this.




http://cart.assaultorderuk.co.uk/ind...d=91&parent=22

sweet!

All the IRR debate here sounds a little reminiscent of the pro/con arguments when khakis started replace traditional coloured uniforms eons back. The French went into WW1 in Red and Blue uniforms still of the opinion high visibility was second to fighting prowess (which I'm sure worked really well whilst rumbling around the Sahara tribesmen who weren't bristling with machine gun teams)! I wonder if opinion on IRR equipment will swing the same way for similar reasons some time.

On the same topic though, does anyone know of any credence to the rumour of moving towards Barracks Dress instead of shelling out for lots of costly IRR C95s as budget control?

Edit for spelling.