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    US Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor Act

    A morning of grim news -

    "Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor Act for military medals
    June 28, 2012

    The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday struck down the Stolen Valor Act, which made it a crime to lie about receiving military medals.

    By a 6-3 decision, the high court said the right to lie about medals and military service, while unattractive, is protected by the 1st Amendment.

    The decision came in the case of Xavier Alvarez, a former member of the Three Valleys Municipal Water District in Southern California. Alvarez had claimed he was a former Marine and recipient of the Medal of Honor; in fact, he had never served in the military.

    Alvarez, a resident of Pomona, was sentenced to three years probation, a $5,000 fine and community service. His attorneys appealed; the 9th Circuit of Appeals upheld his appeal, and the Department of Justice appealed to the Supreme Court.

    The law was passed by Congress in 2005 and signed by President George W. Bush. It called for a possible one-year prison term."

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    How is it protected by the 1st Amendment? Granted he has a right to free speech but having freely spoken, the Stolen Valor Act should be implemented because his words were untrue.

    The cynic in me suspects that the verdict has been reached to give the opportunity for some lawyers to make lots of bucks overturning the ruling.
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    The Supremes opinions are here

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-210d4e9.pdf

    Walting, like everything else in the US, is apparently on a much bigger scale

    For example, in a single year, more than 600 Virginia residents falsely claimed to have won the Medal of Honor. An investigation of the 333 people listed in the online edition of Who’s Who as having received a top military award revealed that fully a third of the claims
    could not be substantiated.4
    When the Library of Congress compiled oral histories for its Veterans History Project, 24 of the 49 individuals who identified themselves as Medal of Honor recipients had not actually received
    that award.5
    The same was true of 32 individuals who claimed to have been awarded the Distinguished Service
    Cross and 14 who claimed to have won the Navy Cross.6
    Notorious cases brought to Congress’ attention included the case of a judge who falsely claimed to have been awarded two Medals of Honor and displayed counterfeit medals in his courtroom;7
    a television network’s military consultant who falsely claimed that he had received the
    Silver Star; and a former judge advocate in the Marine Corps who lied about receiving the Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.9
    But for a government to make lying (absent any tangible harm, fraud, etc) an offence is a slightly chilling concept.

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    sending cunts to jail beacuse they bullshit about a medal...
    what kind of moron passes a law like that

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    Seemed a bit bloody harsh sending walts to jail.
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    land of the free...more like the land of every cunt watching each other
    and gibbering down the line to the feds

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    I agree with not having one.

    Walting is a sad symptom we should pity. Unless it involves kids or ripping off Charitys!

    There are more serious crimes being committed today to be wasting time on people with a symptom. Don't read this wrong, I like a good piss take like the rest and Arrsepida does it well but some fuck witts take it far to seriously and have started witch hunt groups who are now appointing themselves as detectives and undercover specual walt hunters. No training, no accountability and no regulation.

    These people are now living in their own walting world of private dick and fabricating evidence and linking together flimsy leads in order to mount their trophies to their wall of shame.

    We then start getting the splinter groups who want to out do the other group and prove they're the best and will invent anything to score points.

    Where does it end up.. Nothing more than witch hunts were anyone with a grudge or score to settle will shout walt and fabricate then call the feds at every opputunity.

    The WMH are a classic example as to why we would never or should never get a law passed in this country for a stolen valour.
    As proved this week. To many gullible idiots with flagging egos!;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnoficarus View Post
    Seemed a bit bloody harsh sending walts to jail.
    Some of these Walts have used their lies to gain renumerations. There have been those with faked documents getting tens of thousands of dollars of VA benefits among other things. Its a Bit more than claiming a Silver Star in a Pub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldbricker View Post
    Some of these Walts have used their lies to gain renumerations. There have been those with faked documents getting tens of thousands of dollars of VA benefits among other things. Its a Bit more than claiming a Silver Star in a Pub.
    At which point it should become a criminal offence of fraud or theft having made a false declaration.
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