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Discuss "The Value of Armed Citizenry" by some American chappie in US on The Army Rumour Service; Originally Posted by Gobbly wobbly You have a valid point. Last year I had to call at a farmhouse to look at some work one of our contractors had done. Knocked on the door to ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbly wobbly View Post
    You have a valid point.

    Last year I had to call at a farmhouse to look at some work one of our contractors had done. Knocked on the door to ask if I could go to the site, no one was in. Had a quick look at the site and walked back to my car, as I passed a barn I saw a shotgun lying on top of some chopped wood. I looked around for the farmer, knocked on the door again, couldn't find him. Went back to the shotgun and looked it over and it was in good nick but dusty as if it had been lying there for a few days.

    I knew that the local police station was about a mile away so I left the gun and drove there. No one was in but there was a music festival on about a mile down the road and the cops were directing traffic. Told a PCSO, gave my details and went back to visit the next site. Was driving past the same farm gates later and a cop car was parked, they had collected the gun.

    The farmer who owned this gun was so obviously used to treating it like a tool he forgot its potentially lethal nature. If I had walked past an axe, which is also a potentially lethal weapon, then I wouldn't have thought anything about it.


    Did doing that make you feel very special?
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    And all this talk about semi autos, give me a decent straight pull bolt action rifle I can put a prodigious quantity of aimed fire down range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnoficarus View Post
    Lot of well conditioned sheeple in this thread…
    Sheeple are we? As we live in a modern democracy and you want to wake us from our slumbering sheep like ways then why don't you form a political party and stand for election on a more liberal gun law platform, don't let all those people who would point and laugh get in your way.

    Just because people don't agree with you doesn't make them sheep. Most people have never served and are unfamiliar with guns because they have never needed them. They still don't need them. Outside of a few inner city areas gun crime is almost unheard of and if you want to make a dispensation so that people in those areas can own guns, do you think that would make the situation better?

    I f a law abiding citizen in the uk wants to take up some form of shooting sport using a shotgun or a rifle then there are legal avenues to do so. What we don't allow is the use of concealable weapons, semi automatic or automatic weapons. I see no reason to allow their use.
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    [QUOTE=Goldbricker;4537998]Ahh forgetting that the Yank President will not be typically supported by the Military if he gives an Illegal order. We swear an oath to defend the Constitution, not the Commander in Chief/President.

    Sorry for butting in your obviously having a fabulous time. I take it your comments don't apply to GWII with Bush Blair Combo. After all the twin towers were nought to do with Iraq and we didin't attack saudi. And everyone now accepts that the dogdy dossier was a fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnoficarus View Post
    Did doing that make you feel very special?
    Actuall it caused me a fair amount of guilt, the shotgun is an obvious necessity for the farmer and he's probably lost it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbly wobbly View Post
    Actuall it caused me a fair amount of guilt, the shotgun is an obvious necessity for the farmer and he's probably lost it now.
    Did he leave any pointy sticks or unfenced ponds lying around in his private property too you could report? After all, someone coukd have been hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbly wobbly View Post
    Sheeple are we? As we live in a modern democracy and you want to wake us from our slumbering sheep like ways then why don't you form a political party and stand for election on a more liberal gun law platform, don't let all those people who would point and laugh get in your way.

    Just because people don't agree with you doesn't make them sheep. Most people have never served and are unfamiliar with guns because they have never needed them. They still don't need them. Outside of a few inner city areas gun crime is almost unheard of and if you want to make a dispensation so that people in those areas can own guns, do you think that would make the situation better?

    I f a law abiding citizen in the uk wants to take up some form of shooting sport using a shotgun or a rifle then there are legal avenues to do so. What we don't allow is the use of concealable weapons, semi automatic or automatic weapons. I see no reason to allow their use.
    Baaaaaaaaaaa! Baaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    You seem inordinately frightened of guns, maybe Freud was right.





    Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
    Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity". Hoplophobia, like
    homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
    "forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence. This would be
    harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others. The
    sequelae of this neurosis include irrational and dangerous behaviors
    such as passing "gun-control" laws and trashing the Constitution.
    -- Eric S. Raymond
    Related:

    A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
    -- Sigmond Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)...
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    An excerpt from the article the OP put up:

    "Wurst showed up late to the dance, with his father’s .25-caliber pistol in a holster belt under his jacket. He had previously left a suicide note under his pillow, and stated to investigators that he planned to go to the dance and kill only himself. The shooting began on an outdoor patio, about 20 minutes before the dance was scheduled to end, around 9:40. He shot John Gillette after he asked Wurst to come inside. Wurst proceeded to enter Nick’s Place, where the dance had been held, and subsequently fired and wounded Edrye Boraten, a teacher and two students, Jacob Tury and Justin Fletcher. The shooting ended when the owner of Nick’s Place, James Strand, intervened and confronted Wurst with his shotgun, ordering him to drop his weapon and later holding him at bay for eleven minutes. Strand later got Wurst on the ground and searched him for weapons, finding a dinner fork in his sock. There would be no further victims that day, thanks to armed resistance."



    Ahh, so it seems this fella was a cannibal after all! He was planning on making a teacher salad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigshyt_Freeman View Post
    No, without firearms ALL the people who died in firearms accidents would be alive. Cos they wouldn't have had firearms to accidentally be killed with.

    For the others it's pure conjecture on your part.
    Quote Originally Posted by sunnoficarus View Post
    Baaaaaaaaaaa! Baaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    You seem inordinately frightened of guns, maybe Freud was right.





    Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
    Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity". Hoplophobia, like
    homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
    "forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence. This would be
    harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others. The
    sequelae of this neurosis include irrational and dangerous behaviors
    such as passing "gun-control" laws and trashing the Constitution.
    -- Eric S. Raymond
    Related:

    A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
    -- Sigmond Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)...
    Yes that's why I did thirteen years in the army, so I could check that all those guns were locked in the armoury. Range days were a nightmare for me and don't even get me started on my time in the mortar platoon.

    Am I kmaking too much sense for you??? Is that why you have resorted to personal insults? Freud has a lots to say on the love of guns as a replacement penis as well. Now why would someone need a replacement penis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gobbly wobbly View Post
    Yes that's why I did thirteen years in the army, so I could check that all those guns were locked in the armoury. Range days were a nightmare for me and don't even get me started on my time in the mortar platoon.

    Am I kmaking too much sense for you??? Is that why you have resorted to personal insults? Freud has a lots to say on the love of guns as a replacement penis as well. Now why would someone need a replacement penis?
    I fail to see why you're addressing these remarks at me. I'm not sure how suggesting to someone that figures are conjectural is a personal insult to you, but perhaps you're just having a bad day.

    I don't see what the interpretation of firearms deaths has to do with whether or not you enjoyed range days, either.

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