ARmy Rumour SErvice

**jumpinjarhead** · 13-11-2010, 23:42

Originally Posted by Ruckerwocman

Everything south of Sacramento is lost anyway; they ought to give it back to the Indians if they can find any to give it back to. At least we won't have to listen to the Queen of Mean in the new Congress.

I wonder what kind of airplane she will get from our masters?

**Phil306** · 13-11-2010, 23:58

Originally Posted by jumpinjarhead

Chump change old son compared to the federal one-I understand they are trying to come up with a new "illion" term to follow trillion.

I wonder what the rest of country is going to say when Moonbeam asks them to bail us out. Its going to happen. California is going to become the next "Too Big To Fail." This is going to be interesting.

**jumpinjarhead** · 14-11-2010, 00:01

Originally Posted by Phil306

I wonder what the rest of country is going to say when Moonbeam asks them to bail us out. Its going to happen. California is going to become the next "Too Big To Fail." This is going to be interesting.

Very insightful. Ahnald already set the stage so we can but wonder how much more your new Flower Child guvn'r will try to spread the pain nationwide.

**Ruckerwocman** · 14-11-2010, 01:34

Originally Posted by jumpinjarhead

Very insightful. Ahnald already set the stage so we can but wonder how much more your new Flower Child guvn'r will try to spread the pain nationwide.

I seem to remember that Jerry Brown ran in the Democratic primaries for President in 1980. He was, of course, turned down like a rug. He came to speak at Madison, WI, a noted hotbed of liberal views (Home of the University of Wisconsin) but somebody screwed up his television appearance. He had the State Capitol growing out of his head, his speech dubbed (badly) into Spanish, etc. I never laughed so hard in my life. Perhaps an advance party "rat fucker" for the Great Communicator, Ronald Magnus Reagan "helped" Jerry's campaign people tweak his television persona.

Jerry Brown showed good taste in dating Linda Ronstadt when she was young and pretty, but I don't think he had the brains that God gave a slug (sorry Sluggy) he never proposed a law or a government agency that actually helped California.

(Too bad about the so-called "Governator". He made such a great speech at the 2004 Republican Convention.)

**ECMO1** · 14-11-2010, 14:48

Originally Posted by jumpinjarhead

Chump change old son compared to the federal one-I understand they are trying to come up with a new "illion" term to follow trillion.

The minor difference is that it is illegal for a state to run on a deficit, they are not allowed to print money like the feds. Except now they refer to it as quantitative easing. Therefore the deficit impacts harder on the states than the feds since the states can't (supposedly) ignore the deficit.

**jumpinjarhead** · 14-11-2010, 15:16

Originally Posted by ECMO1

The minor difference is that it is illegal for a state to run on a deficit, they are not allowed to print money like the feds. Except now they refer to it as quantitative easing. Therefore the deficit impacts harder on the states than the feds since the states can't (supposedly) ignore the deficit.

Good point--our masters are now readying the other "boot to drop"--inflation due to their cranking up the printing presses to "merely" buy all our debt with freshly printed (and increasingly worthless) greenbacks. Weimar Republic anyone?

**ugly** · 14-11-2010, 15:31

So whats the solution, another great depression followed by a war to increase industrial profits or just a return to isolationism which would be difficult to find housing for English speaking service personnel in Northern Mehico!

**jumpinjarhead** · 14-11-2010, 15:42

Originally Posted by ugly

So whats the solution, another great depression followed by a war to increase industrial profits or just a return to isolationism which would be difficult to find housing for English speaking service personnel in Northern Mehico!

One thing would be to reduce spending but that requires moral courage on the part of professional politicians or ideologues who rely on an electorate increasingly dependent on the government for not only their needs but their wants as well instead of relying on the sweat of their own brows and intellects to earn their own way through life. Such moral courage is largely lacking.

**alib** · 14-11-2010, 16:39

I spend a lot of time in the Bay Area. It's under gone a drastic decline in the past couple of decades. In the first years of this century I recall a gouging Enron turning the lights off on the Stanford campus as a rather symbolic moment.

Government is the problem. Dismally poor governance even by inept US standards, brought on in this case by overly zealous pursuit of democracy. The State is dysfunctional, tied up in ludicrous constitutional knots by a population determined to have its cake and eat it. Folk don't want to pay taxes but want all their services and entitlements maintained, they vote accordingly and they vote a lot, it's a political kindergarden. Deficit inevitably balloons, getting kicked down the road by spineless politicians with silly term limits until its unsupportable. It's an economy roughly as complex as Germany's and the retarded Libertarians who float about the place think it can run itself like some 18th century planters colony.

It's still a great center of innovation with booming Biotechs eagerly harvesting Barrycare's bountiful failure to control costs but how long that will last with a broken school system and smarter, tougher competition emerging elsewhere? The Indians who were the brains behind the dotcom boom are leaving, the smell of innovation in Silicon Valley is no longer curry.

It's telling that two of the most shortsighted and incompetent CEOs in US corporate history ran for election in California during the Midterms and there was a real risk that one of them might buy her way into the second biggest job in US politics and perhaps technically the hardest, Governor.

Sad, place was once the embodiment of the American dream consolidated by the stealth socialism of massive defense contract boondoggles in the 60s. No surprise that Ronald "sausage factory" Reagan came to power via the Governor's chair. What makes it worse is the 49er optimism is still there. Only distant hope is demographic, the asian brains and fast breeding latino muscle who do all the work will stage an intervention, ditch the parasitic whitebread elite that still dominates the infantile political sphere and reboot the Bear state under some adult management.

Still not as fecked as Ireland.

**jumpinjarhead** · 14-11-2010, 17:20

Originally Posted by alib

I spend a lot of time in the Bay Area. It's under gone a drastic decline in the past couple of decades. In the first years of this century I recall a gouging Enron turning the lights off on the Stanford campus as a rather symbolic moment.

Government is the problem. Dismally poor governance even by inept US standards, brought on in this case by overly zealous pursuit of democracy. The State is dysfunctional, tied up in ludicrous constitutional knots by a population determined to have its cake and eat it. Folk don't want to pay taxes but want all their services and entitlements maintained, they vote accordingly and they vote a lot, it's a political kindergarden. Deficit inevitably balloons, getting kicked down the road by spineless politicians with silly term limits until its unsupportable. It's an economy roughly as complex as Germany's and the retarded Libertarians who float about the place think it can run itself like some 18th century planters colony.

It's still a great center of innovation with booming Biotechs eagerly harvesting Barrycare's bountiful failure to control costs but how long that will last with a broken school system and smarter, tougher competition emerging elsewhere? The Indians who were the brains behind the dotcom boom are leaving, the smell of innovation in Silicon Valley is no longer curry.

It's telling that two of the most shortsighted and incompetent CEOs in US corporate history ran for election in California during the Midterms and there was a real risk that one of them might buy her way into the second biggest job in US politics and perhaps technically the hardest, Governor.

Sad, place was once the embodiment of the American dream consolidated by the stealth socialism of massive defense contract boondoggles in the 60s. No surprise that Ronald "sausage factory" Reagan came to power via the Governor's chair. What makes it worse is the 49er optimism is still there. Only distant hope is demographic, the asian brains and fast breeding latino muscle who do all the work will stage an intervention, ditch the parasitic whitebread elite that still dominates the infantile political sphere and reboot the Bear state under some adult management.

Still not as fecked as Ireland.

Insightful and interesting as usual. As to the bloded portion I would say that may be true for some of the "flower power" holdovers who saw "democracy" as merely license for hedonism or some naive others who have not a clue about the true nature of mankind ("I want your stuff and I will kill you if needed to have it"). The rest, especially those in the government (at least at the higher levels of policy and politics) and other higher strata of "society" and academe --that collective "elite" that deems itself ever so intelligent and mindful of what we great unwashed need for our "greater good" merely use "democracy" as a buzz word when it suits their larger purposes of progressivism.

It also bears remembering that the US is not and never was a "democracy." Thankfully our founders knew enough about human nature to create a more complex form of representative governance, the republic, that, at least until the appearance of progressives in the late 19th century, worked rather well in maximizing the positive attributes of humankind while guarding against the excesses of our baser natures.