ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Chris_2oo6** · 04-07-2012, 21:13

we've got a brief off our CO tomorrow (2 r welsh)

rumour has it we will re-name to 1 royal welsh and stay in the armoured role.. with 1 r welsh merging with us

find out tomorrow anyways!

**Stonker** · 04-07-2012, 21:47

Originally Posted by bokkatankie

Quite correct, the TC was initially Heavy Branch the Machine Gun Corps, it became RTC in 1923.

Churchill was correct also, but the use of armour as given by the then new RTR was equally doubtful, 23rd. Armd Brigade was the worst handled Brigade in history (and that is some history to beat). It had been trained and was used operationally based on RTR doctrine, it got slaughtered.

Was that doctrine derived from old ways of using cavalry against infantry in line, by any chance?

The Hermans didn't seem to have too much trouble figuring how to do the tank thing correctly. (Or is that a r-elephant)?

**bokkatankie** · 04-07-2012, 22:24

Originally Posted by Stonker

Was that doctrine derived from old ways of using cavalry against infantry in line, by any chance?

The Hermans didn't seem to have too much trouble figuring how to do the tank thing correctly. (Or is that a r-elephant)?

No, sadly, it was from the doctrine that RTC had developed that focussed on armoured (tank only) breakthroughs, some of the stuff coming out of the experimental armoured brigade in the 1930's was almost RAF like in it's belief that tanks would always get through. To an extent, one cannot blame them, no one else would talk to them!

**RoyalGreenJacket** · 04-07-2012, 22:47

all 5 RIFLE battalions survived it seems.

the Black Mafia still prevails.

**Yeoman_dai** · 04-07-2012, 22:57

Yes I was curious about that - surely taking a Bn off a massive regiment like the rifles is better than creating single bn regiments like they're doing to the Welsh or the Fusiliers?

H3 · 04-07-2012, 22:59

Originally Posted by Chris_2oo6

we've got a brief off our CO tomorrow (2 r welsh)

rumour has it we will re-name to 1 royal welsh and stay in the armoured role.. with 1 r welsh merging with us

find out tomorrow anyways!

Let us know how it goes will you ?

**ugly** · 04-07-2012, 23:00

Originally Posted by Yeoman_dai

Yes I was curious about that - surely taking a Bn off a massive regiment like the rifles is better than creating single bn regiments like they're doing to the Welsh or the Fusiliers?

That was the point and my belief but if there is to be any welsh line inf then it needs to get into bed with someone soon!

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**bokkatankie** · 04-07-2012, 23:04

Originally Posted by ugly

That was the point and my belief but if there is to be any welsh line inf then it needs to get into bed with someone soon!

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Looking at the Telegraph article, what I see defies belief!!!!!

What a paltry and stupid bunch of ****s we have who run our Army.

Scottish infantry spared as English regiments axed - Telegraph

**wolfbolt** · 05-07-2012, 00:40

Originally Posted by crow_bag

Only a savage would go on parade without a plume, where are your standards?

That'll be the HAC then!

Originally Posted by HAC Dress Regs

Foot Guards pattern black bearskin, no plume, with a gilt taper chain with black leather lining. Worn by any rank whilst on parade in Full Dress as directed by the Commanding Officer.

**Last Man CSjt** · 05-07-2012, 07:11

If The Sun, Guardian, Sky News and Telegraph have got it right then it seems that the five to go are:

3 MERCIAN (Staffords), 2RRF, 3 YORKS (Dukes), 2 R WELSH and 5 SCOTS (sort of).

This should be no real surprise. The smokesceen of F&C numbers aside, it seems to be that the principle of "it's your turn" has been applied:

The Staffords were considered lucky not to go in 93 under Options but the fame they earned on Gulf I probably saved them. Then, under the SDR reorg (07), the MERCIANs (unlike the LANCS, SCOTS or RIFLES) formed a large regiment in a rebranding exercise without losing any Bns. Same for the R WELSH and the YORKS. So in all fairness it was "their turn".

Turning to the RRF. They were lucky on the last round - QUEEN's Div resisted the large Regt concept and it therefore became the wisdom of Solomon which of the three two-Bn Regts would go. It was looking like the RRF were in peril until someone came up with the splendid wheeze of putting 1 PARA into SFSG and so a different TLB - hey presto!

Final the dear old Jockos. They did lose a Bn last time out, and will lose a Bn this time (5 SCOTS). Interestingly, with 5 SCOTS going to be a "PD Incremental Coy" in Edinburgh (I am sure that was a hard sell to the egotistical Salmond: you get your own version of the Guards in Edinburgh - great for tourism and making him feel a little bit special) and 4 SCOTS relocating as an AI Bn (my money is on them going to Scotland) that will mean all four Scottish Inf Bns (and their Argyll's display team / PD Coy) will be in Scotland. Nothing to do with pre-positioning in the event of Devolution, do you think?

I won't be celebrating my Regt getting off the hook today (if indeed they do). As a proud Infantryman this is a sad day when the Bns we collectively love are reduced once more to numbers on a balance sheet. The worst thing we could do now is engage the traditional internal fisticuffs (see comments about RGR, Foot Guards, Scots etc) but I fear the Govt will continue to 'divide and rule' us. Chins up everywhere!