Originally Posted by Yeoman_dai

You are clearly an idiot, and a very very angry man. Anyway don't accuse me of being old and bold, I popped out of the university system last year and I still think the current trend is a crock of shit and is dragging too many people into university.

Awesome bite mind you :D

Yes, clearly an idiot because you say so. I think it is idiotic to think that a system can "drag people into University". How the fuck do you make that leap? Does the Dean of Admissions press gang people through the door personally?

The answer (you twat) is no he does not. Opportunities are presented to people and they have the choice to take them. Much like the choice of remaining silent on an issue you clearly know nothing about. I suggest you exercise it.

It wasn't a bite, I enjoy writing on arrse.

Originally Posted by REMFQuestions

Yes, clearly an idiot because you say so. I think it is idiotic to think that a system can "drag people into University". How the fuck do you make that leap? Does the Dean of Admissions press gang people through the door personally?

The answer (you twat) is no he does not. Opportunities are presented to people and they have the choice to take them. Much like the choice of remaining silent on an issue you clearly know nothing about. I suggest you exercise it.

It wasn't a bite, I enjoy writing on arrse.

In best Dr Evil voice: Riiiiiiight...

Te reason there are so many stupid uni courses (the Beckhem one was just a module in a a medie studies course, looking at how he uses the media and how it uses him btw) is because the last Govt. wanted 50% of school leavers to go to uni and they paid for it so uni's just offered courses for those who werent interested/academically gifted. While at the same time they made students pay for much more of their education in terms of loans nor grants. Given that a gradute will earn more than a non-gradute over a life time, and they pat their loans back with interes even if it is not a lot, it actually pays HMG to get people through higher education.

If they decide to sack off all higher education (or just the courses some people decide are worthless) it wont pay for a new inf Bn, or Cav troop, or ship or planes. The money that is saved in the short term will go in to lower education or health care.

Its completly pointless ranting at students and school kids saying "It were tougher in my day", it wasn't it was just different. Soceity moves on and so does everything else. Harking back to how it was it pointless.

Hopefully HMG will sort out the civil service side of the MOD and start getting rid of civvies who take ten people to do a job that can be done electronically or can be done by 5 service personal. Face facts, every aspect of govenment spending is being looked at, why should the MOD be exempt?

Originally Posted by REMFQuestions

Yes, clearly an idiot because you say so. I think it is idiotic to think that a system can "drag people into University". How the fuck do you make that leap? Does the Dean of Admissions press gang people through the door personally?

The answer (you twat) is no he does not. Opportunities are presented to people and they have the choice to take them. Much like the choice of remaining silent on an issue you clearly know nothing about. I suggest you exercise it.

It wasn't a bite, I enjoy writing on arrse.

For a lot of young people the only option they're presented with is that if you don't go to university you won't get a decent job, which isn't the full story but has some element of truth in it. However the system deceives sixth formers into believing that their BA in Media Studies or Sociology from Scumbag Modern University is a magic ticket to a decent job; it's not until they leave uni with their degree that they realise the education system has let them down by failing to equip them with the fundamental skills, many employers look upon their degree as frankly worthless and finding any job at all becomes a struggle.

Education is fundamental for the UK in the 21st century. We can't compete as well as we could years ago in traditional manufacturing or heavy industry because of the cost of labour in this country compared to, say, China, so we have to find some hole in the global market that the Chinese can't fill. The financial sector is one notable thing the UK's known for; defence exports based upon high-tech engineering by the likes of BAE is another. Education itself is a third; foreign students coming to study in the UK and paying handsomely for the privilege is an industry in its own right, and the sums these students and their families pay show how well-regarded a decent education is in countries which don't take it as much for granted as we do. These three examples all require an intelligent workforce to deliver them, and to produce this "knowledge economy" the education system needs sorting; there needs to be the option of decent, respected degrees and decent, respected vocational alternatives so the youth of the future can make an educated choice, rather than be corralled into something to meet a government target. Blair coined the soundbite "education, education, education" years ago, and now Cameron needs to turn that from words into a workable system as an investment into the future of the UK.

Apologies for dragging the thread off-topic.

Originally Posted by REMFQuestions

Yes, clearly an idiot because you say so. I think it is idiotic to think that a system can "drag people into University". How the fuck do you make that leap? Does the Dean of Admissions press gang people through the door personally?

The answer (you twat) is no he does not. Opportunities are presented to people and they have the choice to take them. Much like the choice of remaining silent on an issue you clearly know nothing about. I suggest you exercise it.

It wasn't a bite, I enjoy writing on arrse.

you are genuinely the most odious person to appear on this site in quite a while, especially as you've shot up in post count, and looking at everything you write you jump in insult everyone and generally make a bit of a fool out of yourself, despite the fact that there is no way you would use most of the language you use if you were actually speaking with them.

I hope you haven't come through one of the military Academies yet, because if you have they really have not done a very good job of breaking the arrogance out of you have they?

That's why you are an idiot, not for anything that you have posted. If you are going to haunt Current Affairs and such, i'd suggest having a good hard look at the way you contribute because at the moment you don't discuss you berate and that isn't really cricket is it.


And thats a second rather good bite.

Originally Posted by Bravo_Zulu

For a lot of young people the only option they're presented with is that if you don't go to university you won't get a decent job, which isn't the full story but has some element of truth in it. However the system deceives sixth formers into believing that their BA in Media Studies or Sociology from Scumbag Modern University is a magic ticket to a decent job; it's not until they leave uni with their degree that they realise the education system has let them down by failing to equip them with the fundamental skills, many employers look upon their degree as frankly worthless and finding any job at all becomes a struggle.

Education is fundamental for the UK in the 21st century. We can't compete as well as we could years ago in traditional manufacturing or heavy industry because of the cost of labour in this country compared to, say, China, so we have to find some hole in the global market that the Chinese can't fill. The financial sector is one notable thing the UK's known for; defence exports based upon high-tech engineering by the likes of BAE is another. Education itself is a third; foreign students coming to study in the UK and paying handsomely for the privilege is an industry in its own right, and the sums these students and their families pay show how well-regarded a decent education is in countries which don't take it as much for granted as we do. These three examples all require an intelligent workforce to deliver them, and to produce this "knowledge economy" the education system needs sorting; there needs to be the option of decent, respected degrees and decent, respected vocational alternatives so the youth of the future can make an educated choice, rather than be corralled into something to meet a government target. Blair coined the soundbite "education, education, education" years ago, and now Cameron needs to turn that from words into a workable system as an investment into the future of the UK.

Apologies for dragging the thread off-topic.

Exactly, BZ had the time to say it properly

Originally Posted by Yeoman_dai

you are genuinely the most odious person to appear on this site in quite a while, especially as you've shot up in post count, and looking at everything you write you jump in insult everyone and generally make a bit of a fool out of yourself, despite the fact that there is no way you would use most of the language you use if you were actually speaking with them.

I hope you haven't come through one of the military Academies yet, because if you have they really have not done a very good job of breaking the arrogance out of you have they?

That's why you are an idiot, not for anything that you have posted. If you are going to haunt Current Affairs and such, i'd suggest having a good hard look at the way you contribute because at the moment you don't discuss you berate and that isn't really cricket is it.


And thats a second rather good bite.

I don't insult everyone, I do insult people who talk shit and throw ad hominems around. And your opinion means little to me but I can guarantee I would absolutely use the tone and language of my posts in real life and have done a great deal.

If you have really studied my other posts as you say then you would clearly see that the majority of my posts are balanced and well researched. It's often the fact that people don't like being told they are wrong, which the majority of the posters on arrse are.

Well this is big school, so people need to grow a pair. If you can factually dismantle my posts then please do so, I absolutely love people who make me reconsider my views, the mod of the Int Corps forum has made me admit defeat on several occasions. If you can't do that then save your character observations for someone who cares.

Better, you didn't swear or throw a single insult in that so gold star for you, although you did fire off some spurious allegations... however, this thread has nothing to do with that, or universities.

On thread though,

Originally Posted by ASICarrot

Could the flexable and in particular long term element of this steel not come from PMCs?

PMC's and contractors in the front line made me remember this Paying Pirates | Marine Corps Gazette as a link not just to PMC's but also the use of civilian contractors. Although we have not fallen into the same over-reliance that the US Armed Forces have, it is an interesting point about the future of conflict - the use of the Mercenary.

The use of these companies rose to their height in post 2003 Iraq, and some commentators were saying that this could possibly be the future of armed conflict, buying soldiers when needed. Complete tosh in my opinion, however we in the western world do tend to use them a lot - my question is, when and where does it end? It hasn't stopped yet, even after the Blackwater incident(s) in Iraq (I forget what they call themselves nowadays i'm afraid)

In defence of yeoman_dai, remf questions you are a twat, stop diverting the thread.

Originally Posted by REMFQuestions

I do insult people who talk shit and throw ad hominems around.

You homophobe, I'll tell Peter Tatchell on you.

Originally Posted by Werewolf

My own limited experiance bears out the old maxim that the most advanced societies are only two days of missed meals away from chaos.

Imagine the scene - hundreds of thousands of ex-squaddies saying "what do you mean they're not paying my pension any more" and then going ballistic.