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Discuss Overseas Staff College? at the Staff College and Staff Officers forum within the The Army Rumour Service website; Whilst ACSC is the sensible "head choice" there is a "heart" lure for Aus or ...
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    Whilst ACSC is the sensible "head choice" there is a "heart" lure for Aus or Can. Mrs Bedin is tempted and whilst it may not be turbo thrusting it does appear to offer a lot of life experience stuff.

    I've worked with the Yanks in a Corps HQ and whilst I enjoyed it they do have a slightly intimidating work ethic. I suspect JAWS may therefore be a bit of a joyless thrash.

    France or Kuwait? I'm sure staff college can be tricky enough without being in "foreign". And I'm not exactly rolling in linguistic prowess.

    Of course, the Infantry filter at 3 to 1 and this is my first filter so it's all theoretical anyway.

    What I need to do is hit Lt Col to give me time to get two years substantive under my belt prior to the pension "tweaking" and then take redundancy. To think that as a subby I tortured myself over which Armd Bde would be coolest to Command...
    The sand of the desert is sodden red-
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    The gatling's jammed and the colonel dead,
    And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
    The river of death has brimmed its banks,
    And England's far, and Honour a name,
    But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks-
    "Play up! Play up! And play the game!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BedIn View Post
    I've worked with the Yanks in a Corps HQ and whilst I enjoyed it they do have a slightly intimidating work ethic. I suspect JAWS may therefore be a bit of a joyless thrash.

    JAWS isn't the only Staff College option Uncle Sam has to offer (although it may be the only one which accpets Brit Mil on a regular basis)

    Intermediate Level Education at Leavenworth is similar in many ways to ICSC(L), but is aimed at more senior Majors who are about to progress to Bn command, and there is the additional option of a research thesis leading to a Masters.

    There's also BSAP at the Army War College, which I believe is a seriously intellectual environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BedIn View Post
    Whilst ACSC is the sensible "head choice" there is a "heart" lure for Aus or Can. Mrs Bedin is tempted and whilst it may not be turbo thrusting it does appear to offer a lot of life experience stuff.

    I've worked with the Yanks in a Corps HQ and whilst I enjoyed it they do have a slightly intimidating work ethic. I suspect JAWS may therefore be a bit of a joyless thrash.

    France or Kuwait? I'm sure staff college can be tricky enough without being in "foreign". And I'm not exactly rolling in linguistic prowess.

    Of course, the Infantry filter at 3 to 1 and this is my first filter so it's all theoretical anyway.

    What I need to do is hit Lt Col to give me time to get two years substantive under my belt prior to the pension "tweaking" and then take redundancy. To think that as a subby I tortured myself over which Armd Bde would be coolest to Command...
    At least you've got a choice....
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    Having been 'fortunate' enough to experience the dry finger bum poke that was ACSC before it became lt cols' sport, I would advise going abroad. I recall that you were tolerably competent so, unless you still aspire to bde comd, I can't see it doing you any harm. Life is short and unpleasant enough without volunteering for what will still be a willy waving contest, so go and be the floppy abroad, play up the englishness, get loads of foreign mates who can give you holiday destinations for life and give the wife a break.

    Oh and congrats on main boarding - fight you for SO1 Pissed Mattress Store, Benbecula
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    Let's not over stretch ourselves.
    The sand of the desert is sodden red-
    Red with the wreck of the square that broke
    The gatling's jammed and the colonel dead,
    And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
    The river of death has brimmed its banks,
    And England's far, and Honour a name,
    But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks-
    "Play up! Play up! And play the game!"

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    More importantly, which Bde did you choose in the end?
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    7 Bde, but only because I was already wearing that rat and so it would save on sewing.

    I now know someone would sew on the patch for me, but I also know it's not an issue I'll have to address.
    The sand of the desert is sodden red-
    Red with the wreck of the square that broke
    The gatling's jammed and the colonel dead,
    And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
    The river of death has brimmed its banks,
    And England's far, and Honour a name,
    But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks-
    "Play up! Play up! And play the game!"

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    skipping out Bde Command and going straight for Div Command then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gassing_Badgers View Post
    JAWS isn't the only Staff College option Uncle Sam has to offer (although it may be the only one which accpets Brit Mil on a regular basis)

    Intermediate Level Education at Leavenworth is similar in many ways to ICSC(L), but is aimed at more senior Majors who are about to progress to Bn command, and there is the additional option of a research thesis leading to a Masters.

    There's also BSAP at the Army War College, which I believe is a seriously intellectual environment.
    When I visited ILE (from ICSC(L)), most US students where within a couple of years of promotion to Maj, so pretty junior.

    The overseas courses available in lieu of ACSC, etc. are specified in the DIN, as are the number of places available each year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brave-coward View Post
    When I visited ILE (from ICSC(L)), most US students where within a couple of years of promotion to Maj, so pretty junior.
    But remember, a Major attending ILE in the US Army will already most likely have done at least 1 tour as a Coy Comd (Capt), followed by a tour as Bn S-3 or XO - both of which are pretty grown-up jobs compared to a newly promoted Maj in the British Army. ILE is therefore seen more of a preparation for Lt Col than as a grounding as a Major.
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