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Originally Posted by bokkatankie

Which is why I say get over it, we do not need lectures from some bloke who put down the niggers in NR in the 1970's. As was said on E News tonight, this is not the way for a Democracy to act and it is not the way for the protectors of that democracy to act. Democracy's do not shoot their own people. South Africa is not perfect, what democracy is? But what happened yesterday is not right and cannot be seen to be right, it seems that already we are willing to accept it as just one of those TIA things.

First of all get your time line strait, NR ceased to exist in 1964! Secondly what experience have you had in trying to deal with any form of disturbance in Africa, never mind one where the rioters were armed with a variety of lethal weapons and had already killed several of your colleagues in previous confrontations? Thirdly, we in the NRP were not "putting down the niggers" to quote your non pc words, the ethnicity of the rioters had nothing to do with our actions, we were trying to prevent one group of politically agitated and often high on beer or drugs, Africans, from killing or intimidating another group of Africans or destroying property!
As others have said in response to your bleatings, if the Police had not been armed & had been over run we would be reading of virtually ALL the police being chopped to bits or burnt to death!! Perhaps you should offer your services to the SAP in peacefully talking down armed crowds filled with blood lust! Hmm... I wonder how long it would be before we saw the headline "Naive "bokkatankie" necklaced before being hacked to death by irate mob"!
It sounds like you have no idea whatsoever of the problems invoved and just seem to be imbued with a massive chip or guilt trip due to SA's previous apartheit history! The true face of your rainbow nation is revealed in the truly horrendous crime statistics and the ever growing cupidity of the ruling ANC clique. Your pathetic bleating about DEMOCRACY, is just that, bleating, the concept is totally alien to the vast majority of people throughout the continent!
If you care to listen to some of the interviews with some of the Africans in the area, they appear to be totally disenchanted with what the ever so wonderfull & liberating ANC is doing for the people in improving their lot since the false dawn in 1994.

Originally Posted by steven seagull

Page 5 mate. "Dont bring a machette to a bunfight."

I used to find his predictability amusing but now I'm starting to think he's mentally ill or has the I.Q. of a toaster.

Fixed that for you my similarly named chum.




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Originally Posted by steven seagull

Page 5 mate. "Dont bring a machette to a gunfight."

I used to find his predictability amusing but now I'm starting to think he's mentally ill or has the I.Q. of a toaster.

I go for both, I'd also go out on a limb and suggest he has never felt the touch of a woman.

You have a woman's touch, my lord.


I'm afraid the fact that South Africa under the ANC isn't a nation of happy singing and dancing black Africans under their benevolent, honest, upright and kindly new leaders, is going to come as something of a shock to the liberal West.

Further observations.

A basic principle of conflict management is that manifest reasons for conflict are but the tip of the iceberg, and that a myriad other causes are at work, often "unspeakable" ones. In this instance, the rock drillers wage demands and the inter-union friction are the overt reasons. The "unspeakable" ones are general impoverishment, dissatisfaction with the Govt, and the old African issue of tribalism.

If we parse this, a few things may emerge from the woodwork. In the SA scheme of things, mine-workers are an "industrial elite", and rock-drillers (second only to shaft-sinkers) are at the top if the pile. With an unemployment rate at 25%+ the miners are the "fortunate" ones. Now, a feature of SA mines is to act as a magnet for large numbers of unemployed people living in informal settlements around the mines. It is highly probable that the "mob of miners" included great (if not greater) numbers of unemployed industry hangers-on. Impoverished, unemployable and resentful, these people represent a dangerous element with nothing to lose. The New SA / Govt has utterly failed them. Big problem!

Traditionally (and this has not changed much since 94) certain jobs and roles on the mines are taken up by people from different tribes. Another big, but unmentionable issue, tribalism.

The Union issue also has unmentionable factors. NUM is the incumbent union. A key player in the struggle years (together with the parent body Cosatu), NUM is closely aligned with the ANC. And hold on, wait a bit...... let's see who is on the Board of Lonmin: https://www.lonmin.com/Lonmin_Annual...directors.html Um, that's not Cyril is it?

So there is a much bigger drama being played out here. About time for another player to enter stage left. Malema at Marikana: 'Many will die' - Mail & Guardian Online Yup, that's helpful. A direct challenge to Jacob Zuma, a call for martyrdom, and direct incitement to violence. And a bit of breathtaking logic
"Police, Malema said, should not have had automatic weapons on the scene of the protest on Thursday afternoon, when 34 people were killed. And even if strikers did fire at the police first, the police should not have fired back. He dismissed outright any suggestion that the police had acted in self-defence and had reason to fear the armed workers, saying the Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) had marched with similar weapons for years without getting shot."

How will the SA Govt react? Well, there is an obvious target. I wish the guy well, and certainly hope this does not happen. He was a brave and steady man (under fire from both directions) who acted resolutely and probably saved a lot more lives. "Cease Fire Bloke", I fear, will take the rap for this. He is the easiest target and will deflect a lot of heat from where is should more appropriately be directed.

I know buggerall about SA politics but - if even just one of those miners charging the police was armed with a machete then every single round was justified IMO. We had riots in the UK last year and boundaries were pushed. The authorities demonstrated certain acts could be carried out with impunity. How far down the line is it when people think charging a line of police with machetes is OK and will not be met with force?

Is this a case of 20 years of relative liberalism, with leads not being yanked enough so they thought they'd be able to pull it off?

The only good thing that has come from this is that the next lot will think twice before charging the police with weapons, under some misguided assumption that nothing serious would happen to them.

IMO, of course.

Originally Posted by supermatelot

...The only good thing that has come from this is that the next lot will think twice before charging the police with weapons, under some misguided assumption that nothing serious would happen to them...

I doubt it. They have that fuckwit Malema whipping them up, egged on by Winnie Mandela. I can guarantee you that when the next lot go on the rampage and people die, Malema will be nowhere in sight until it's time to stir up shit again.

Originally Posted by Tarkwa

Further observations.

So there is a much bigger drama being played out here. About time for another player to enter stage left. Malema at Marikana: 'Many will die' - Mail & Guardian Online Yup, that's helpful. A direct challenge to Jacob Zuma, a call for martyrdom, and direct incitement to violence. And a bit of breathtaking logic
"Police, Malema said, should not have had automatic weapons on the scene of the protest on Thursday afternoon, when 34 people were killed. And even if strikers did fire at the police first, the police should not have fired back. He dismissed outright any suggestion that the police had acted in self-defence and had reason to fear the armed workers, saying the Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) had marched with similar weapons for years without getting shot."

While Malema is a knob of the highest order and his comment may be the result of an 'exotic cheroot,' what he says of the IFP is gen up.
To be honest the times the IFP had traditionally dressed Zulus on the marches not once did they start any scrap, nor did they retaliate when numbers of their ouens had been hit and killed.
I suggest the Zulu discipline is something that has always frightened the ANC.

Don't paint us all with the same brush.