ARmy Rumour SErvice

**stoatman** · 07-07-2012, 07:01

Aside from the random scattering of controls around the SA80 for manufacturing convenience, here's a couple of my favourite ergonomic design choices:

Kar98k - bend in bolt handle obscures the sights when cycling.
Kar98k - rearsight design presents a small notch in a big notch - guaranteed to cause high shots under stress.
Springfield 03A3 - wimpy little foresight that's very difficult to pick up quickly through the apeture
P90 - left thumb goes through trigger guard. Genius! What could possibly go wrong?
Steyr AUG - pistol grip far too far forward; front grip too far back. Like a bloody hammerdrill.
MP5 telescoping stock - erm, how the hell do you get vaguely comfortable with that?

**Greengrass** · 07-07-2012, 08:23

SLR- To long and heavy. Bolt remained forward on a empty mag leading to dead man click. No automatic capability. 20 rnd mag insufficient for sustained firefights.

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**Schaden** · 07-07-2012, 08:39

Lol so how many of these firefights were you involved in where you found not having full auto a liability?

**DeltaDog** · 07-07-2012, 08:43

Originally Posted by Schaden

Lol so how many of these firefights were you involved in where you found not having full auto a liability?

Though I've never used it in anger, full auto is useful at close quarters and for room clearances. I have seen a car stopped at a VCP using an SA80 on full auto.

**goatrutar** · 07-07-2012, 08:46

I found the Steyr ok. I suppose it would depend on the size of the firer?

**Greengrass** · 07-07-2012, 08:56

Originally Posted by Schaden

Lol so how many of these firefights were you involved in where you found not having full auto a liability?

None but then I never used a black powder muzzle loader either And I am prepared to bet it would be a significant disadvantage. Used a SA80 plenty and found it just the job.

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**Schaden** · 07-07-2012, 09:03

So you've only used one weapon, never fired a shot in anger and yet lucky us are given the benefit of your great wisdom?

Truly we are blessed!!

Tell you what - why don't you go and find out how many countries use for example the SA80?

Then go and find out how many countries decided to go with the FN-FAL.

Let us know what you come up with.

**chrisg46** · 07-07-2012, 09:12

FN FAL is different to the SLR. Former does have auto.

How many countries used the SLR?

**Greengrass** · 07-07-2012, 09:18

I have used many weapons but only ever issued one like nearly everyone else I know. I have fired shots in anger did you ever use the SLR in contact?

As pointed out a FN FAL is not a SLR. The fact that a load of child soldiers in Africa use a SLR is hardly a triumph.

Just admit that the collective dampness about the SLR on this site is simply a mass of dribbling of ex cold war warriors justifying their years guarding Celle from....... well no one it turned out.

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**Sinner251** · 07-07-2012, 09:19

Originally Posted by stoatman

Aside from the random scattering of controls around the SA80 for manufacturing convenience, here's a couple of my favourite ergonomic design choices:

Kar98k - bend in bolt handle obscures the sights when cycling.
Kar98k - rearsight design presents a small notch in a big notch - guaranteed to cause high shots under stress.
Springfield 03A3 - wimpy little foresight that's very difficult to pick up quickly through the apeture
P90 - left thumb goes through trigger guard. Genius! What could possibly go wrong?
Steyr AUG - pistol grip far too far forward; front grip too far back. Like a bloody hammerdrill.
MP5 telescoping stock - erm, how the hell do you get vaguely comfortable with that?

Or right thumb as it designed to be ambidextrous