ARmy Rumour SErvice

**EX_STAB** · 08-07-2012, 18:20

Originally Posted by stoatman

The only properly thought-out bolts with regard to smooth, fast, natural handling with minimum movement and for most people no need to take the eye away from the sights are the Lee-types. Shame about the stock shape & safety location.

Best safety location on a bolt-action is the P14/M17. None really have a satisfactory butt shape -the cheek comb is universally too low. The first military rifle to have a "good" stock shape IMHO is probably the M1 Garand.

I find this works quite well:

**Cutaway** · 08-07-2012, 18:22

Originally Posted by Taff49

you've bought into Ally, havent you?

I'll have to be honest here and say the bugger hasn't.
He owns some of the ugliest rifles I've ever seen and hits well with them.

His idea of ally (and aesthetic) is a nicely worn No 4.

**stoatman** · 08-07-2012, 18:39

I have fundamental objections to safeties in trigger guards, for I think self evident reasons. Encouragesfingers to be where they shouldn't be when they shouldn't be. And presumably that one can't be applied without putting digits in the guard?

**stoatman** · 08-07-2012, 18:41

If he thinks I'm into ally he hasn't seen my AR or Frankenrifle ;)

**jimmys_best_mate** · 08-07-2012, 18:45

Originally Posted by stoatman

If you need a mag NOW, your left hand can be grabbing it while the first one is dropping on the floor.

Compare "Drop while going for new mag - place - release working parts - bang" with "Grab - stow/chuck on floor - go to pouch - place - release working parts - bang".

Saves several seconds. If several seconds count, you can lose the empty mag or pick it up after the "problem" has been dealt with.

Although I see your point, couldn't you just drop the L85 mag and move straight to grabbing another one if you really needed to? I have to admit I've never tried it but that's because the drill's always been 'remove mag and put it somewhere (pouch/front of smock)' and I've never been in a situation where the drill has changed to 'fuck me those natives are getting close, see how fast you can get your rounds off'. If you just press the magazine release won't the magazine just drop out onto the floor?

It would probably still be slightly longer than being able to drop the mag without moving a hand but I doubt we're talking about enough of a difference to be noticeable.

**ugly** · 08-07-2012, 18:52

Originally Posted by Munter Hunter

MAS 36 bolt...poop, designed to force the firer to smack himself in the gish.

FR-F1 Scrome scope...rubber eye cup designed to suck out the firer's eye faster than a Charlie G sucks baccy ut of a roll-up.

You just didnt know how to shoot it properly!

**ugly** · 08-07-2012, 18:54

Originally Posted by Blogg

And there were 20 round trench magazines for the SMLE.

Rare as rocking horse excrement though.

I have held one in my hand didnt have a camera sadly!

**Munter Hunter** · 08-07-2012, 18:54

What...the Charlie G or the Froggy fusil?

**ugly** · 08-07-2012, 19:03

Originally Posted by Munter Hunter

What...the Charlie G or the Froggy fusil?

le frog 36 admittedly you had to get close to the rear aperture to get a good sight picture and you would get a little bruised cheek but it was definetly accurate and the bolt was ergonomic if you palmed it shut!