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**scoobish** · 18-11-2009, 18:21

31,486 scientists sign a petition against the theory of "man-made" global warming.

http://www.petitionproject.org/purpose_of_petition.php

Who shall we believe?

A couple of hundred, "non scientific" politicians with their eyes on a new tax revenue stream?

OR

31,486 scientists? who have used many Physical research methods

I Know who I believe...

debates?

**jagman** · 18-11-2009, 18:24

No debate from me.
I'm firmly in the climate change denier camp.

**shape.when.wet** · 18-11-2009, 18:24

That petition is a hoax.

**vvaannmmaann** · 18-11-2009, 18:32

Originally Posted by shape.when.wet

That petition is a hoax.

Says who?

**Taffnp** · 18-11-2009, 18:36

Who cares - the world is going to end in 2012
Trees are supposed to absorb the CO2 from the atmosphere, yet many countries have carried out illegal logging. Maybe we should pursue those

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_logging

**BaldBaBoon** · 18-11-2009, 18:36

Just to point out that Global warming is so last year.

It is now Climate change, that way if the weather becomes warmer or cooler its because were all evil people causing it from our....." whatever they decide this week" .

Just to let you know I am copyrighting the environmental expression I designed called " climate Stagnation " this is just in case the climate does not get either warmer or colder.....and I can then loan the phrase out to the treehuggers in their latest campaign.

The Climate has Stagnated because you are all evil bastards who drive gas guzzling cars.....quite a catchy campaign eh!

**dave987** · 18-11-2009, 18:36

Originally Posted by scoobish

31,486 scientists sign a petition against the theory of "man-made" global warming.

All American Scientists .........

Dave

**shape.when.wet** · 18-11-2009, 18:44

Originally Posted by vvaannmmaann

Originally Posted by shape.when.wet

That petition is a hoax.

Says who?

I do. And incidentally, I'm right. :D

Every time a climate change thread pops up on here it quickly becomes an exercise of barking at the moon. I think a 10 year old could take a close look at it and reel off a list of reasons why it's bollocks. I'll give you a couple for starters.

If you start from the point of accepting that all of these 'people' actually ticked a box somewhere on a web page to say they didn't 'agree with man-made climate change' - which is a big if looking at the state of that piece-of-sheite site... It's un-referenced and unaccountable. Signing an electronic document does not equal peer-reviewed research publications and scientific consensus. People will sign anything on the internet. Gut feelings and suspicions are right up there with my gran saying it's bad luck to put new shoes on a table, or to have ivy growing in the house. Madness.

"...Carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful". Stinks of dodgy oil propaganda and you're mugs if you're taken in by such utter tosh.

Getting Joe Blogs to make a reasoned and informed argument to debate the issue is like sending an airsoft walt up Basra road and expecting him to know which end of the rifle is the angry bit.

**vvaannmmaann** · 18-11-2009, 18:53

Clearly a well reasoned argument as to why I should believe you.My Gran had the same thing about shoes as well.Mind you,it's been fcuking cold here today,so a few more degrees would be welcomed.

**rockape34** · 18-11-2009, 18:56

however German scientists also reject man-made global warming or as the proponents of the AGW religion now call it "Climate Change" when the weather/climate proved them wrong, yet they are still predicting a 6 degree Celcius rise by the end of the century - though as the wold's climate is cooling at the moment one is unsure whether the six degree rise will be fronm todays' temperature or at the nadir of teh cooling.

Interestingly it would appear the the ice in the Antarctic is not decreasing; see "Russian icebreaker Carrying 100 Tourists Stuck in Antarctic Ice", though there are now reports that it is free.