Global Warming... a hoax?

[Bazzinho1977]

That petition is a hoax.

Says who?

I do. And incidentally, I'm right. :D

Every time a climate change thread pops up on here it quickly becomes an exercise of barking at the moon. I think a 10 year old could take a close look at it and reel off a list of reasons why it's bollocks. I'll give you a couple for starters.

If you start from the point of accepting that all of these 'people' actually ticked a box somewhere on a web page to say they didn't 'agree with man-made climate change' - which is a big if looking at the state of that piece-of-sheite site... It's un-referenced and unaccountable. Signing an electronic document does not equal peer-reviewed research publications and scientific consensus. People will sign anything on the internet. Gut feelings and suspicions are right up there with my gran saying it's bad luck to put new shoes on a table, or to have ivy growing in the house. Madness.

"...Carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful". Stinks of dodgy oil propaganda and you're mugs if you're taken in by such utter tosh.

Getting Joe Blogs to make a reasoned and informed argument to debate the issue is like sending an airsoft walt up Basra road and expecting him to know which end of the rifle is the angry bit.

Damn. Beaten to it. And you have spolied a thread that would have at some point included "but I was told that pouring engine oil on the grass was good for the lawn", "Yeah, but the temperature over the last 3.5 months has actually gone down" and "we are overdue an Ice Age so global warming is a good thing" etc. etc. etc.

Which would have made me laugh.

[shape.when.wet]

Clearly a well reasoned argument as to why I should believe you.My Gran had the same thing about shoes as well.Mind you,it's been fcuking cold here today,so a few more degrees would be welcomed.

I think it's a Northern thing, a bit like my grandmother was. Are you Northern? I'm informed by people in the know that climate change won't be happening in the North of England. It will always be cold and miserable there -which is why I will continue to take my holidays in Hartlepool.

[rockape34]

re: my last - 450 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of "Man-Made" Global Warming can be found listed, with links, HERE

[scoobish]

That petition is a hoax.

Says who?

I do. And incidentally, I'm right. :D

Every time a climate change thread pops up on here it quickly becomes an exercise of barking at the moon. I think a 10 year old could take a close look at it and reel off a list of reasons why it's bollocks. I'll give you a couple for starters.

If you start from the point of accepting that all of these 'people' actually ticked a box somewhere on a web page to say they didn't 'agree with man-made climate change' - which is a big if looking at the state of that piece-of-sheite site... It's un-referenced and unaccountable. Signing an electronic document does not equal peer-reviewed research publications and scientific consensus. People will sign anything on the internet. Gut feelings and suspicions are right up there with my gran saying it's bad luck to put new shoes on a table, or to have ivy growing in the house. Madness.

"...Carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful". Stinks of dodgy oil propaganda and you're mugs if you're taken in by such utter tosh.

Getting Joe Blogs to make a reasoned and informed argument to debate the issue is like sending an airsoft walt up Basra road and expecting him to know which end of the rifle is the angry bit.

consider:

http://www.petitionproject.org/how_p...circulated.php

5% are web signatures, 95% are not.

The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,157 MS; 2,586 MD and DVM; and 12,714 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.

Their fields:
Atmosphere, Earth, & Environment (3,804)

1. Atmosphere (579)

I) Atmospheric Science (112)
II) Climatology (39)
III) Meteorology (343)
IV) Astronomy (59)
V) Astrophysics (26)


2. Earth (2,239)

I) Earth Science (94)
II) Geochemistry (63)
III) Geology (1,683)
IV) Geophysics (341)
V) Geoscience (36)
VI) Hydrology (22)


3. Environment (986)

I) Environmental Engineering (487)
II) Environmental Science (253)
III) Forestry (163)
IV) Oceanography (83)


Computers & Math (935)

1. Computer Science (242)

2. Math (693)

I) Mathematics (581)
II) Statistics (112)


Physics & Aerospace (5,812)

1. Physics (5,225)

I) Physics (2,365)
II) Nuclear Engineering (223)
III) Mechanical Engineering (2,637)


2. Aerospace Engineering (587)

Chemistry (4,821)

1. Chemistry (3,12

2. Chemical Engineering (1,693)

Biochemistry, Biology, & Agriculture (2,965)

1. Biochemistry (744)

I) Biochemistry (676)
II) Biophysics (6


2. Biology (1,43

I) Biology (1,049)
II) Ecology (76)
III) Entomology (59)
IV) Zoology (149)
V) Animal Science (105)


3. Agriculture (783)

I) Agricultural Science (296)
II) Agricultural Engineering (114)
III) Plant Science (292)
IV) Food Science (81)


Medicine (3,046)

1. Medical Science (719)

2. Medicine (2,327)

General Engineering & General Science (10,103)

1. General Engineering (9,834)

I) Engineering (7,281)
II) Electrical Engineering (2,169)
III) Metallurgy (384)


2. General Science (269)

Names and Quals are here:
http://www.petitionproject.org/signe...me.php?run=all

What was your science qual'? You forgot to mention it matey....

[Bazzinho1977]

consider:

B0llocks made up numbers of people

Or consider that 97.4% of active climatologists (or 19.5 out of 20) agree that climate change IS man made.

[Whet]

A quick look at the California signatures.

Many of them seem not to have any letters after their name. Do any scientists purportedly sign a petition which is playing on their qualifications and not give those qualifications?

[Semper_Flexibilis]

'Climate Change' is the new post Christian religion of the masses.

It allows little people to think they can change the world, after all, how big a job is that…'Oh look at me! I'm saving the planet!'


Of course one thing the Climate Change religionists rather tend to ignore…

If the norther latitudes DO get warmer, it's going to be a huge bonus for the Earth.

How so?

Biggest crop producing regions… DonBas, mainland Europe and the wheat belt of the US/Canada…

Well, if the temperature does go up, all those regions will increase their areas and yields…

[shape.when.wet]

Yes, scoobpish and by those numbers only 152 out of 31468 are atmospheric scientists. That's less than 0.5% who would know even the very basics of the systems involved. Would you ask your dental hygienist for his medical opinion about your floppy cock?

My science quals? Over 10 years as an atmospheric physicist at both Oxford and Cambridge. If I sound like an arrse then that's because I know more about it than you do. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you're going to spout utter shite from the t'interweb you can stick it up your hoop.

Nice site though, frequently gets a giggle from my colleagues. :D

[Semper_Flexibilis]

A quick look at the California signatures.

Many of them seem not to have any letters after their name. Do any scientists purportedly sign a petition which is playing on their qualifications and not give those qualifications?

What qualifications do you have doley?

[Banker]

Just to point out that Global warming is so last year.

It is now Climate change, that way if the weather becomes warmer or cooler its because were all evil people causing it from our....." whatever they decide this week" .

Interesting point, the real issue is the increase in volatility in the weather and the increased frequency of "outlying" events. In fact, it's the second derivative of weather volatility, the gamma for the math geeks out there (i.e. the volatility is becoming more volatile).

Who cares? Well, the greatest impact is via El Nino and La Nina, the two phenomena that impact short-cycle global weather most. The intensity of events is increasing at an alarming rate. This, in turn, has a huge impact on the flood/drought cycle and regional rainfall. This has obvious consequences on agricultural production.

How do I know? Well, I have a team of derivative structurers and meteorologists who structure "weather derivatives" to protect large agribusiness from this volatility. Food production on a large scale requires an absence of the "outlying" weather events (hail, flood, drought etc.). Weather data goes back 100 years in most jurisdictions, certainly enough time to be statistically significant when looking at risk events. The fact is that the risk of very volatile weather has increased significantly over the last 100 years.

If you don't believe me, you can put your money where your mouth is these days by taking exposure to climate change.

Punchline is that global warming talks to a demonstrable trend. That trend has a very high correlation with increased concentration of atmospheric CO2........a correlation that is very hard to dispute if an objective view is applied. That trend, given CO2 does not dissipate easily, is very hard to stop.

Climate change, on the other hand, is all about the volatility about the mean (trend) which, as said, is increasing.

So, you have a warming trend correlated with increased concentrations of atmospheric CO2 and a higher frequency of "outlying" events.

Big question is whether it's anthropogenic..........answer is..........does it matter.