Global Warming... a hoax?

**Whet** · 18-11-2009, 19:11

A quick look at the California signatures.

Many of them seem not to have any letters after their name. Do any scientists purportedly sign a petition which is playing on their qualifications and not give those qualifications?

**Semper_Flexibilis** · 18-11-2009, 19:14

'Climate Change' is the new post Christian religion of the masses.

It allows little people to think they can change the world, after all, how big a job is thatâ€¦'Oh look at me! I'm saving the planet!'

Of course one thing the Climate Change religionists rather tend to ignoreâ€¦

If the norther latitudes DO get warmer, it's going to be a huge bonus for the Earth.

How so?

Biggest crop producing regionsâ€¦ DonBas, mainland Europe and the wheat belt of the US/Canadaâ€¦

Well, if the temperature does go up, all those regions will increase their areas and yieldsâ€¦

**shape.when.wet** · 18-11-2009, 19:14

Yes, scoobpish and by those numbers only 152 out of 31468 are atmospheric scientists. That's less than 0.5% who would know even the very basics of the systems involved. Would you ask your dental hygienist for his medical opinion about your floppy cock?

My science quals? Over 10 years as an atmospheric physicist at both Oxford and Cambridge. If I sound like an arrse then that's because I know more about it than you do. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you're going to spout utter shite from the t'interweb you can stick it up your hoop.

Nice site though, frequently gets a giggle from my colleagues. :D

**Semper_Flexibilis** · 18-11-2009, 19:15

Originally Posted by Whet

A quick look at the California signatures.

Many of them seem not to have any letters after their name. Do any scientists purportedly sign a petition which is playing on their qualifications and not give those qualifications?

What qualifications do you have doley?

**Banker** · 18-11-2009, 19:15

Originally Posted by BaldBaBoon

Just to point out that Global warming is so last year.

It is now Climate change, that way if the weather becomes warmer or cooler its because were all evil people causing it from our....." whatever they decide this week" .

Interesting point, the real issue is the increase in volatility in the weather and the increased frequency of "outlying" events. In fact, it's the second derivative of weather volatility, the gamma for the math geeks out there (i.e. the volatility is becoming more volatile).

Who cares? Well, the greatest impact is via El Nino and La Nina, the two phenomena that impact short-cycle global weather most. The intensity of events is increasing at an alarming rate. This, in turn, has a huge impact on the flood/drought cycle and regional rainfall. This has obvious consequences on agricultural production.

How do I know? Well, I have a team of derivative structurers and meteorologists who structure "weather derivatives" to protect large agribusiness from this volatility. Food production on a large scale requires an absence of the "outlying" weather events (hail, flood, drought etc.). Weather data goes back 100 years in most jurisdictions, certainly enough time to be statistically significant when looking at risk events. The fact is that the risk of very volatile weather has increased significantly over the last 100 years.

If you don't believe me, you can put your money where your mouth is these days by taking exposure to climate change.

Punchline is that global warming talks to a demonstrable trend. That trend has a very high correlation with increased concentration of atmospheric CO2........a correlation that is very hard to dispute if an objective view is applied. That trend, given CO2 does not dissipate easily, is very hard to stop.

Climate change, on the other hand, is all about the volatility about the mean (trend) which, as said, is increasing.

So, you have a warming trend correlated with increased concentrations of atmospheric CO2 and a higher frequency of "outlying" events.

Big question is whether it's anthropogenic..........answer is..........does it matter.

**Semper_Flexibilis** · 18-11-2009, 19:18

Originally Posted by Whet

A quick look at the California signatures.

Many of them seem not to have any letters after their name. Do any scientists purportedly sign a petition which is playing on their qualifications and not give those qualifications?

What qualifications do you have doley?

**Bazzinho1977** · 18-11-2009, 19:19

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

'Climate Change' is the new post Christian religion of the masses.

It allows little people to think they can change the world, after all, how big a job is thatâ€¦'Oh look at me! I'm saving the planet!'

Of course one thing the Climate Change religionists rather tend to ignoreâ€¦

If the norther latitudes DO get warmer, it's going to be a huge bonus for the Earth.

How so?

Biggest crop producing regionsâ€¦ DonBas, mainland Europe and the wheat belt of the US/Canadaâ€¦

Well, if the temperature does go up, all those regions will increase their areas and yieldsâ€¦

Yes.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...perplexed.html

I wish you would teach these bloody scientists a thing or two - they are all idiots, comparably.

**Semper_Flexibilis** · 18-11-2009, 19:24

Originally Posted by Bazzinho1977

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

'Climate Change' is the new post Christian religion of the masses.

It allows little people to think they can change the world, after all, how big a job is thatâ€¦'Oh look at me! I'm saving the planet!'

Of course one thing the Climate Change religionists rather tend to ignoreâ€¦

If the norther latitudes DO get warmer, it's going to be a huge bonus for the Earth.

How so?

Biggest crop producing regionsâ€¦ DonBas, mainland Europe and the wheat belt of the US/Canadaâ€¦

Well, if the temperature does go up, all those regions will increase their areas and yieldsâ€¦

Yes.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...perplexed.html

I wish you would teach these bloody scientists a thing or two - they are all idiots, comparably.

Sighâ€¦

What's the weather going to be in 7 days time?

Answer, they can only have a best guestimate and it's often wrongâ€¦

And yet, people like AlGore, the High Priest of Climate Change is wittering on about measuring temperature differences of .2 of a degree over a period of decades and using that to predict with absolute certainty what will happen in 50 years time.

And how's that new Ice Age the experts were predicting in the 80's coming on?

**Semper_Flexibilis** · 18-11-2009, 19:30

Other predictions for the year 2000 by doom and gloomers over the previous 30 or so yearsâ€¦

All the worlds oil would run out by 2000

The population of the Earth would grow so huge it would be standing room only and the world would be ravaged by famines

All the worlds fresh water rivers would be so polluted by 2000, we'd all die of thirst

The Earths atmosphere would be so polluted by 2000, we'd be living on a desertified Earth with a run away greenhouse effect.

All the worlds oceans would be so polluted they would be dead and so would all the fish

All the worlds trees would be cut down

The hole in the ozone layer would spread and we'd all be fried by radiation

**Bazzinho1977** · 18-11-2009, 19:32

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Sighâ€¦

What's the weather going to be in 7 days time?

Answer, they can only have a best guestimate and it's often wrongâ€¦

And yet, people like AlGore, the High Priest of Climate Change is wittering on about measuring temperature differences of .2 of a degree over a period of decades and using that to predict with absolute certainty what will happen in 50 years time.

And how's that new Ice Age the experts were predicting in the 80's coming on?

You mean that Ice Age?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-1970s.html

Oh, and really - your argument is that because the weathermen are a bit crap global warming doesn't exist and isn't cuased by humans? THAT is your big argument?

Really mate, you need to put down the Jeremy Clarkson book and step away from the internet.

**jagman** · 18-11-2009, 19:43

Originally Posted by Bazzinho1977

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Sighâ€¦

What's the weather going to be in 7 days time?

Answer, they can only have a best guestimate and it's often wrongâ€¦

And yet, people like AlGore, the High Priest of Climate Change is wittering on about measuring temperature differences of .2 of a degree over a period of decades and using that to predict with absolute certainty what will happen in 50 years time.

And how's that new Ice Age the experts were predicting in the 80's coming on?

You mean that Ice Age?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-1970s.html

Oh, and really - your argument is that because the weathermen are a bit crap global warming doesn't exist and isn't cuased by humans? THAT is your big argument?

Really mate, you need to put down the Jeremy Clarkson book and step away from the internet.

It isn't caused by humans Bazz.
Go take a long hard look at the figures, mankinds imact is miniscule.

**shape.when.wet** · 18-11-2009, 19:44

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Sighâ€¦

What's the weather going to be in 7 days time?

Answer, they can only have a best guestimate and it's often wrongâ€¦

And yet, people like AlGore, the High Priest of Climate Change is wittering on about measuring temperature differences of .2 of a degree over a period of decades and using that to predict with absolute certainty what will happen in 50 years time.

And how's that new Ice Age the experts were predicting in the 80's coming on?

Sigh indeed. Same ol' argument again Squire?
You're dealing with quite different beasts there, weather and climate, both physically and statistically. In some ways it's easier to predict general trends than localised highly detailed patterned. Believe it or not the British Met Office forecasts are amongst the best in the world, do you have any idea how difficult it is to predict where and when it will rain over a 5 km or less grid box to within an hour, given all the other variables? On the other hand, if you have an entire global climate model and just change one thing, such as co2 concentration, general trends in other variables are relatively easy to spot. I'm not a huge fan of GCMs, they're full of caveats, but fortunately there's observational data that points in a similar direction.

Incidentally, Al Gore gets on my tits.

Also, if you sit and think about wtf a 'global average temperature' means, esp if sitting on either the south pole or equator, it doesn't really mean anything. Unfortunately it's a numeric used to communicate general information a vastly complex system.

**doc80905** · 18-11-2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Other predictions for the year 2000 by doom and gloomers over the previous 30 or so yearsâ€¦

All the worlds oil would run out by 2000

The population of the Earth would grow so huge it would be standing room only and the world would be ravaged by famines

All the worlds fresh water rivers would be so polluted by 2000, we'd all die of thirst

The Earths atmosphere would be so polluted by 2000, we'd be living on a desertified Earth with a run away greenhouse effect.

All the worlds oceans would be so polluted they would be dead and so would all the fish

All the worlds trees would be cut down

The hole in the ozone layer would spread and we'd all be fried by radiation

Not forgetting the one about so many people dying of swine flu that there'd be bodies piled up in the street and we'd be buldozing corpses into open pits (which is something along the lines of what the governments 'chief medical advisor' came out with a few months ago). There's always some load of toss that's gonna kill us all if we don't do x/y/z.

An excuse for tax, that's all. How does doubling my road tax for instance, reduce the temperature of the planet? A load of old fucking shite so it is.

**Whet** · 18-11-2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by jagman

Originally Posted by Bazzinho1977

Originally Posted by Oil_Slick

Sighâ€¦

What's the weather going to be in 7 days time?

Answer, they can only have a best guestimate and it's often wrongâ€¦

And yet, people like AlGore, the High Priest of Climate Change is wittering on about measuring temperature differences of .2 of a degree over a period of decades and using that to predict with absolute certainty what will happen in 50 years time.

And how's that new Ice Age the experts were predicting in the 80's coming on?

You mean that Ice Age?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-1970s.html

Oh, and really - your argument is that because the weathermen are a bit crap global warming doesn't exist and isn't cuased by humans? THAT is your big argument?

Really mate, you need to put down the Jeremy Clarkson book and step away from the internet.

It isn't caused by humans Bazz.
Go take a long hard look at the figures, mankinds imact is miniscule.

A government scientist was on here saying it is. You are saying it isn't.

Gosh, who to believe