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**edd1989** · 23-02-2009, 22:54

In todayâ€™s climate religion is an important issue, in my opinion more so than any other time in history. Where you sit in the fence defines who we are and our stances on a significant number of political and moral issues.

I am an Atheist and consequently a big fan of Richard Dawkins, he is leading the charge on the non-believers front. I was brought up in a very lax Church of England family and at an early age I finally decided religion was not for me. I find it too hard to discount and ignore scientific evidence to believe in something that I believe to be as unlikely as it is outdated.

The reason for my post is I am curious how religious the average populous is. This has no correlation to any military setting; I don't use any other forums apart from www.richarddawkins.net and I have a sneaky suspicion the results there would be slightly bias.

Any conversation I bring up on this matter seems to be with people who are Atheists, such as myself, or don't have an opinion or care. It makes me believe the non-believer front is more popular than initially thought.

Please post your creed in the poll and feel free to post any healthy debate from both sides of the coin.

Just an afterthought but whenever I'm asked,

"What came first, the chicken or the egg?"

I always respond:

"I don't know, but it certainly wasn't the fcuking farmer!"

Edd

**Trick** · 23-02-2009, 22:57

Surely "don't care" would be agnostic?

**PandaLOVE** · 23-02-2009, 23:02

There is no God. I beleive in the Bunsen Burner.

Seriously though, I hate religion. It should be something that provides one with a purpose in life, very often it does but more often it causes friction. Like this thread will do.

My wife is religious and part of the reason why we can no longer stand each other, the self righteous freak. Good cook though.

The church has been in the pockets of poor people since the birth of Christianity.

**Aunty Stella** · 23-02-2009, 23:04

I would say belief in a Deity but no belief whatsoever in any of the organised religions.

Sort of "there's got to be more to it" but not "lets all fall down flagalating ourselves to that chippie nailed to a bit of Roman MDF" or the worse one, "lets all worship a peadophile"

**edd1989** · 23-02-2009, 23:05

In reflection, you're right. Maybe the green eyed monster was trying to plug votes. I'll change it.

But then of course we maybe moving into the realms of semantics. Is there any difference between not believing because you don't care or because you have weighed up the evidence?

Edd

**Carcass** · 23-02-2009, 23:08

Originally Posted by edd1989

In todayâ€™s climate religion is an important issue, in my opinion more so than any other time in history. Where you sit in the fence defines who we are

Bollocks. I'd postulate that during the Reformation it was a tad more important. Same with the Thirty Years War.

**Trick** · 23-02-2009, 23:10

Originally Posted by edd1989

In reflection, you're right. Maybe the green eyed monster was trying to plug votes. I'll change it.

But then of course we maybe moving into the realms of semantics. Is there any difference between not believing because you don't care or because you have weighed up the evidence?

Edd

You could argue that it is getting into the realms of semantics, but apathy is not the same as taking a reasoned look. It has also been argued in the past that atheism is a belief in it itself, and then the same arguments can be levelled at atheism which atheists level at "believers."
So perhaps it is necessary to be pedantic with wording (Atheistic agnostic is my label of choice, keeps all the bases covered imo).

**edd1989** · 23-02-2009, 23:11

Is this "Deity" you speak of just a euthamism for what we just don't understand...yet.

Edd

**PandaLOVE** · 23-02-2009, 23:14

Originally Posted by Carcass

Originally Posted by edd1989

In todayâ€™s climate religion is an important issue, in my opinion more so than any other time in history. Where you sit in the fence defines who we are

Bollocks. I'd postulate that during the Reformation it was a tad more important. Same with the Thirty Years War.

You are placing the issue of the importance of religion and when more important. We are no longer tortured and mutilated for defying God as we were in the Dark Ages. Now we are free to question it, we do and people see religion for what it is. Religion has not provided one answer. Nothing to help the human race in its suffering. Except faith, have faith!