Are you religious?

[BuggerAll]

We are surrounded by evidence of Jesus' continued work in people's lives.

Would you like to point to some of this evidence*. Can you show anyway in which the supernatural has manifested itself at all*.

Some will continue to choose not to see and hear. Jesus called them blind fools.

I'm collecting money for the BuggerAll Charitable Foundation. Please PM me your bank account details and password. If you don't you are a blind fool.

He was murdered because he offended people's deeply held convictions. He laid it our really simply, "you're either for me or against me". Shame on anyone claiming to be a follower of Jesus who offers a glimmer of hope to atheists that there may be a place in God's Kingdom for anyone who doesn't recognise that Jesus is the Truth, the Life and the Way! Jesus gave no margin of compromise, that's why he was betrayed, taken through kangaroo courts, tortured and murdered.

Can you show me any reason why I should give more credence to this tale of yours than to any other fairy story? There is no historical evidence that 'Jesus' ever existed. I'm not saying he didn't** but as there is no real evidence that he did . Some people feel 'he' may have been 2 or more people. Many of the tales about 'him' are also told about other mythical figures and pre-date whenever he was supposed to have been around. Many of the other myths about him are simply bad translations of the various languages the myths were recorded in. Many of the myths are contradictory especially if we take into account the books of the bible that the church decided to drop.

I have no truck with islam but at least we know Mohamed actually existed. God didn't talk to him, it was justa load of crap he made up to further his political career but ain't that always the way.

*Bit naughty of me to ask you for evidence as we all know there isn't any.
**I am saying that whether he existed or not what he wasn't is the son of god. There are no such things as gods.

[Jockharvey]

Last week, Sai Baba breathed his last; he was revered by so many millions of people from around the world, he was a God in the eyes of many, and in his own eyes incidentally, but in India that is no great thing because, gods are produced on an almost daily basis, at the last count there are well over 3 million.

One of his godly tricks was to produce, as if from nowhere gold trinkets which usually found their way into the hands of his followers, incidentally it was mainly the young female ones, I wonder why? However, his main ‘magic’ or ‘miraculous’ trick was to make appear as if from nowhere a wrist watch, none of your old market place junk ones, but a Rolex or whatever.

Now then; what gave the game away was that the recipients of his prised gifts noticed that the manufacturers date was stamped on the article! And strangely enough the ‘magic’ production of watches stopped.

Now why am I telling you this? Easy Peasy. If the Jesus guy had produced a watch, Rolex or even a two dollar repro two thousand years ago, he would now have the adulation of everyone on the planet. Why did he not do that? I am guessing that I will not get even one sensible answer to that.

Again; have a nice day.

[Jockharvey]

BTW, I forgot to say that Sai Baba, in spite of having never worked in his life amassed a few rupees during his lifetime, in fact no less than 34 Million, he also stated that he would die at the ripe old age of 96, so he cannot really be dead now, because he was only 82. He is probably in hiding with Osama bin Lid or J.C.

Have another nice day.

[Cuddles]

Using the KJV there is much more to come to that conclusion than just that parable. Jesus speaking to the Centurion after healing his servant comes to mind, although that was about his faith in Jesus it had nothing to do with the Centurion's stated religion. The whole thing of the Gospels says to me that Jesus will judge us based upon how we live our lives and treat other people, not what we profess to believe.

I do not actually believe this BTW, I am still agnostic/atheist depending upon which definition you use.

No harm in belt and braces though?

[Jockharvey]

Jesus said this and Jesus said that, are you living in the same planet as those that you are preaching to? Do you honestly believe that all the crap that has been handed down to you over the years is correct? Do you believe that all other preachers are also correct? There have been millions of Preachers, Spiritualistic, Mystics, Clairvoyants, Soothsayers , and so on, do you believe in them also, if not why not? Why is the Jesus fellow the most important albeit the most extraordinary of them all?

I will tell you why not, because you have been indoctrinated in the system that you have been brought up in. for the sake of sanity, look at yourself, I mean really look at yourself before discarding this email. Have you anything absolutely 100 percent positive that can cause you to accept the religious path that you are following? If you had been born in Alaska 50 years ago would you still believe what you believe now?

I am going to guess that you are just too afraid to answer in the negative. You have indoctrinated yourself into a system that is ingrained in your mind and nothing is going to change that. I am genuinely sorry for you. I wish you no harm, but I wish you could see the genuine reality of the subject.

Me? I am just going to indulge in a Indian imitation of a Scotch whisky.

[firestarter]

Not that I will know anything about it, as I'll skip that stage and go straight to some demonic drill sergeant double-timing me across the parade-ground of eternity to the smoking sulphur assault course. C'est la vie.

And after you took all that "reviling by all men for Jebus's sake" and never denied him.Seems a tad unfair for a loving deity but you would know better than I about "personally evidenced entities "

[BuggerAll]

Jesus said this and Jesus said that, are you living in the same planet as those that you are preaching to? Do you honestly believe that all the crap that has been handed down to you over the years is correct? Do you believe that all other preachers are also correct? There have been millions of Preachers, Spiritualistic, Mystics, Clairvoyants, Soothsayers , and so on, do you believe in them also, if not why not? Why is the Jesus fellow the most important albeit the most extraordinary of them all?

I will tell you why not, because you have been indoctrinated in the system that you have been brought up in. for the sake of sanity, look at yourself, I mean really look at yourself before discarding this email. Have you anything absolutely 100 percent positive that can cause you to accept the religious path that you are following? If you had been born in Alaska 50 years ago would you still believe what you believe now?

I am going to guess that you are just too afraid to answer in the negative. You have indoctrinated yourself into a system that is ingrained in your mind and nothing is going to change that. I am genuinely sorry for you. I wish you no harm, but I wish you could see the genuine reality of the subject.

Me? I am just going to indulge in a Indian imitation of a Scotch whisky.

Never mind 100%. I'd be interested in anything. The answer is a deafening silence. Whenever you ask for any manifestation of the supernatural the only answer you get is that it has 'inspired' people to greatness. They conveniently forget that it has also 'inspired' people to fly aeroplanes into buildings etc.

I'm always struck that the religiously inclined can usually see the folly of other people beliefs but not their own.

[Dashing_Chap]

Globular Cluster Omega Centauri


All this, and yet an aspect of God decided to visit the earth to tell us how to behave in our sex lives.

DC

[Higgs_bosun]

Religion is a contagious mental illness....from it's methods of proliferation to it's symptoms.... case closed.

[BuggerAll]

Religion is a contagious mental illness....from it's methods of proliferation to it's symptoms.... case closed.

No I don't agree with that. It springs from a combination of things. An attempt to understand the world around us and the manipulation of that understanding in the pursuit of 'political' power.

In the case 'understanding' gods make sense if you don't have all the information. If you don't know anything about the origins of the universe and evolution things may seem to have been intelligently designed: it is not unreasonable to assume therefore that they must have been designed by an intelligent being. In the case of power it's not a bad trick to manipulate people's understanding of that intelligent being so that they do what you want.

Religion has answers to the questions that some people have: What are we here for? What happens to us when we die? It provides them with a comfort. Its a false comfort because they are false questions. We're not here for anything and we die but that is too difficult for some people to deal with.

It's not a mental illness, more of a crutch for those who cannot deal with reality. Where mental illness comes into it is in the struggle many people have between maintaining their religious fantasy and what we know is reality. Where a rational sensible person tries to convince themselves of mumbo-jumbo.