ARmy Rumour SErvice

**Northern Monkey** · 06-04-2011, 19:25

Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

Violence is never far below the surface of religion... nothing is more certain when informing deluded fools of the truth. Behead the non believer...eh

Your assertion that praying has had any impact upon scientific results is absurd even for you....FFS.

Only Cuddles can clarify what he meant but I took it to mean that science doesn't preclude religion in an empirical mind and that a scientists faith in God can inspire him to greater things-not that God slips him the answers!

As for violence never being far below the surface of religion-I'm a violent man but certainly have never been inspired by religious belief to utilise it. I like to think of it as a carefully nurtured flaw, kept in check by a belief that God would not be amused.

**Jockharvey** · 06-04-2011, 19:32

Northern Monkey

Well you may be correct in some things you said, but, kids in school are taught to abhor non Christians, they are taught that they are all evil or deluded, why is this? I feel the Hitlerite throws swelling again. As I said previously, no matter how good a person you are, the long forgotten teachings will still exist in your brain, whether you can recall them or not. Your thoughts and maybe even your future actions will push you toward these.

The eleventh commandment: ‘Thou shalt not be found out’

**Northern Monkey** · 06-04-2011, 19:39

Abhor non-Christians? Sorry to be blunt but utter balls!

I was brought up in a Catholic school and my abiding memory-apart from a storming education-was the refrain to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself. Hardly repugnant indoctrination...

**red_devil** · 06-04-2011, 19:41

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Possibly true. However show me one person on this planet who is not ignorant.

Pass! I think!

**StickyEnd** · 06-04-2011, 20:29

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Abhor non-Christians? Sorry to be blunt but utter balls!

I was brought up in a Catholic school and my abiding memory-apart from a storming education-was the refrain to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself. Hardly repugnant indoctrination...

That is called the Golden rule, it predates Christianity and can be argued for in an entirely secular way.

**red_devil** · 06-04-2011, 20:34

My catholic school education was all hell fire and brimstone and damnation if I even 'thought' of lying.

**Northern Monkey** · 06-04-2011, 20:40

Maybe it is-but the response was to an accusation of being taught to abhor Non-Christians. Many on here would have you believe religion is evil and that believers are feeble minded. My beliefs would appear to contradict that

**Northern Monkey** · 06-04-2011, 20:41

Originally Posted by red_devil

My catholic school education was all hell fire and brimstone and damnation if I even 'thought' of lying.

Clearly mine was a classier education...

**StickyEnd** · 06-04-2011, 20:44

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Originally Posted by Sticky

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Faith in "facts" must be even more upsetting when it is dislocated than faith in shimmery beardy blokes in white frocks...

Why do you say that? You may be projecting your prejudices onto others here. Think of the most famous/celebrated scientists that you can, they will almost certainly have overturned accepted "facts". By doing that they win fame/prizes, not get threatened with torture.

Not projecting and not my prejudices. Actually it was a fairly blunt stab at higgsy directly. I say that because his certainty is somewhat annoying. There are after all only two certainties, death and nurses. Tax you can evade and there is no certainty that there is a God, that she is how we imagine them and that we will be unsurprised by the number of limbs instantiated by that particular deity...

I am getting a bit annoyed with higgsy's approach to debate not his content or point of view but his assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with him is wrong, even when he is proved wrong - curiously most often by other scientists or atheists - and his decision to adopt a personally insulting approach over the last twenty or so pages. If that sounds as though I should dry my eyes, well I will. i will also reserve the right to continue to believe what I choose to and to participate in the debate without any further personal comment from me, at least.

OK. Where has Higgsy been proven wrong? I am talking about his main claim, not a side-show BTW. Has God been shown to be actual? I don't think so.