Are you religious?

[Higgs_bosun]

What I meant by that is, if you are claiming absolute certainty, you have abandoned the all knowledge is falsifiable approach. That is what some religious people do, in fact it is a benchmark of creationists. Claim personal authority (or make an apeal to it), and then make an argument without evidence. When you do that you are behaving in a similar way as religious folks. That is why I said that your atheism looks similar to religion. Not always, just when you claim certainty.

I don't think that I said absolute... but anyway my certainty is as strong as the certainty that 'Father Xmas' does not deliver childrens toys on 25th December. Or are you saying that I should remain agnostic about that too?... Science has not ruled it out per se and in some areas of science claims are made that anything is possible. I am simply being realistic... I reject things that are known to be mythical with the knowledge that is available. Religions and gods are on par with 'Father Xmas'. Inventions of men....is that clear?...

Some things we may never know so I am not prepared to dress up the unknown in a red coat, false beard and put messages up the chimney on the hope that Santa is real.

Strange that you don't understand and agree with this position.

[Cuddles]

"Thought" and "known" are not freely interchangeable...

[Higgs_bosun]

Aw, diddums.



Unverse was created - Big Bang. Hmm.

And, once again, your ignorance of the roots of modern science shows through.



There have been plenty of answers to many of your questions, but you just don't listen or comprehend, and you go out of your way to distort, lie and misrepresent any answers. So don't expect any sympathy from me or payment for a seat on your outrage bus.

I'll try and grab a seat for you Cogi...but it's beginning to look like standing room only.... I can bust your myth with ease... All religious men involved with science throughout history have made there discoveries by using science. Not a single discovery has ever been made by using religion. See...busted

[Higgs_bosun]

How can you have questions? You are BEYOND the point of knowing everything.

Are you about twelve years old?

[StickyEnd]

Offended? Oh well pardon us for daring to think differently. Why don't you and the other atheists get together and burn a few religious in order to impose your ownership of the moral high ground and to make it clear that you now control the intellectual life of the human race?

You really do have an air of certainty about you, as Sticky refers to in his post. The last person I heard speak with that kind of certainty and presume the right to ask questions and expect answers to his questions, however invasive or ill-mannered they might be was a certain (pun intended) Joseph Raymond McCarthy...

You should listen to some fundy preachers then. They all do it. Try Ted Haggard.

[Higgs_bosun]

Offended? Oh well pardon us for daring to think differently. Why don't you and the other atheists get together and burn a few religious in order to impose your ownership of the moral high ground and to make it clear that you now control the intellectual life of the human race?

You really do have an air of certainty about you, as Sticky refers to in his post. The last person I heard speak with that kind of certainty and presume the right to ask questions and expect answers to his questions, however invasive or ill-mannered they might be was a certain (pun intended) Joseph Raymond McCarthy. Your questions have all been answered but obviously they cannot be answered, from the stock of knowledge we have available or the physical evidence we currently have access to, in a character that would satisfy you. This does not however stop people from continuing to believe in the unprovable nor does it mean that they are "deluded". They are simply exercising a choice, however difficult you find it to empathise with that choice.

One more question for you bird brain... Is there anything in your life that you are certain about? Now you are going to look very stupid no matter how you answer. Better to ignore pal... it's the christian way.

[StickyEnd]

I don't think that I said absolute... but anyway my certainty is as strong as the certainty that 'Father Xmas' does not deliver childrens toys on 25th December. Or are you saying that I should remain agnostic about that too?... Science has not ruled it out per se and in some areas of science claims are made that anything is possible. I am simply being realistic... I reject things that are known to be mythical with the knowledge that is available. Religions and gods are on par with 'Father Xmas'. Inventions of men....is that clear?...

Some things we may never know so I am not prepared to dress up the unknown in a red coat, false beard and put messages up the chimney on the hope that Santa is real.

Strange that you don't understand and agree with this position.

If you read Dawkins descriptions carefully, that would make you a 6. Maybe 6+

[StickyEnd]

I'll try and grab a seat for you Cogi...but it's beginning to look like standing room only.... I can bust your myth with ease... All religious men involved with science throughout history have made there discoveries by using science. Not a single discovery has ever been made by using religion. See...busted

Now that I do agree with.

[bigpod]

Are you about twelve years old?

YOU are the one who claimed not to have the fraction of uncertainty Dawkins and Sagan admitted to.

[Idrach]

I don't think that I said absolute... but anyway my certainty is as strong as the certainty that 'Father Xmas' does not deliver childrens toys on 25th December. Or are you saying that I should remain agnostic about that too?... Science has not ruled it out per se and in some areas of science claims are made that anything is possible.

Nope, they have worked out that he can't do it. Rudolf would have to have warp drive. Although, they haven't ruled out a franchise / outsource operations ...