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Discuss Are you religious? in The Science Forum on The Army Rumour Service; Originally Posted by Cuddles
Originally Posted by billybongo
I write this prostrated before the screen, begging your forgiveness and I promise to pop down to the confessional at matins to receive forgiveness and a sore ...
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So no sore arse for me then - wahooo. I promise. Hail Mary, Mother of god etc etc etc etc etc
Originally Posted by Cuddles Father Murphy has seen your avatar and says you're too ugly for "that sort of thing" but he can do you a nice line in second hand Our Fathers and a few decades of the rosary...providing you promise to be a good boy in future? :D Originally Posted by billybongo
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And the odd reefer here and there. Originally Posted by StickyEnd Why those two exclusively? IMO the world would be a better place without religion. But we need a damned sight more than just science to live fruitful lives. Ethics, maths and art are other things that enrich human existence. It is just supernatural evidence-free arguments that I want to see gone. That includes more than just religion. You can add post-modernism, homeopathy, psychics and crystal healing etc. To that pot. Originally Posted by Cuddles
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I can't do that, I am still subject to drug testing. Originally Posted by billybongo And the odd reefer here and there. Originally Posted by StickyEnd Why those two exclusively? IMO the world would be a better place without religion. But we need a damned sight more than just science to live fruitful lives. Ethics, maths and art are other things that enrich human existence. It is just supernatural evidence-free arguments that I want to see gone. That includes more than just religion. You can add post-modernism, homeopathy, psychics and crystal healing etc. To that pot. Originally Posted by Cuddles 
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Drink vinegar and pray next time the gates are locked! Originally Posted by StickyEnd I can't do that, I am still subject to drug testing. Originally Posted by billybongo And the odd reefer here and there. Originally Posted by StickyEnd Why those two exclusively? IMO the world would be a better place without religion. But we need a damned sight more than just science to live fruitful lives. Ethics, maths and art are other things that enrich human existence. It is just supernatural evidence-free arguments that I want to see gone. That includes more than just religion. You can add post-modernism, homeopathy, psychics and crystal healing etc. To that pot. Originally Posted by Cuddles
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Nah! I will just abstain. At least until I retire. Originally Posted by billybongo Drink vinegar and pray next time the gates are locked! Originally Posted by StickyEnd I can't do that, I am still subject to drug testing. Originally Posted by billybongo And the odd reefer here and there. Originally Posted by StickyEnd Why those two exclusively? IMO the world would be a better place without religion. But we need a damned sight more than just science to live fruitful lives. Ethics, maths and art are other things that enrich human existence. It is just supernatural evidence-free arguments that I want to see gone. That includes more than just religion. You can add post-modernism, homeopathy, psychics and crystal healing etc. To that pot. Originally Posted by Cuddles
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http://www.youtube.com/thetestoffait...39/uwXl6EFQh0o Originally Posted by Dwarf Liked that, but at the end he says that we need a world view, a source of values, a source of principles that you derive good and bad actions from and they don't come from science. Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
Does that source have to be Faith? I would say that we are capable of designing an ethical system that doesn't have to come from it.
Questions of purpose... is a useful differentiation.
Suspect we are innately moral beings because we are in a social setting which requires us to make choices; IMO we have the potential to choose when we're not harmed in some way.
But human beings are in need of intimate relationship to function. It's in relationship that knowledge is created (intersubjectively) and in relationship that love is shared; which is where I suspect our moral compass is tuned. If it's a relationship that includes a bending of the heart to a loving form, the evolutionary-creator God, who can enrich our existence further with top tips and hints that steer us from catastrophe, then we'd be foolish not to."As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
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Is what is ethical demanded by God because it is ethical, or is it ethical because it is demanded by God? Originally Posted by Cuddles Ethics without faith? That rather assumes that we have come up with a way of bridging the altruism gap?
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Who is this God chap you keep mentioning?? Originally Posted by billybongo Is what is ethical demanded by God because it is ethical, or is it ethical because it is demanded by God? Originally Posted by Cuddles Ethics without faith? That rather assumes that we have come up with a way of bridging the altruism gap?
There are two ways of looking at this from a theist point of view:
a) God is good.
b) God wills us to do what is good.
c) God is the basis of ethics.
or :
1 There are moral values
2 The existence of those values depends on the existence and nature of God.
From other non-theist points of view it is simpler, there either are or there are not moral values. To take it to another level one then has the choice to be moral, amoral or immoral. Personally I've always thought immoral was likely to be more fun than amorality!
If theism is "true" then God's goodness is necessarily significant. However that opens up a meta-ethical argument which runs towards moral goodness being independent of God and hence pro-atheism. Fcuking philosophers and their weasel words![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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He's a figment of my imagination. Originally Posted by Cuddles Who is this God chap you keep mentioning??
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Either way "He is" there... Originally Posted by billybongo He's a figment of my imagination. Originally Posted by Cuddles Who is this God chap you keep mentioning??"As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
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