Are you religious?

[Gren]

Just another thing to show what bollocks religon is


How many of the god squad actually think their religon is unique?


Funny how the same things show up time and again throughout the religons isnt it?

[billybongo]

Funny how the same things show up time and again throughout the religons isnt it?

Gullible fools being taken in by tons of horseshit?

[Northern Monkey]

It was as amusing as leprosy.

How an atheists do you know proselytise? Few I imagine- most are content to question the claptrap the religious believe, and bring their kids up to value the ability to question and not be suckered into believing unmitigated claptrap.

To be fair, most. Are you not trying to convert me to your beliefs?

Have I attempted to convert anyone on here?

Like I said before, your arguments are flawed by the fact you exhibit the very same tenets that you accuse 'religionists' of using.

Incidentally, as said before I went to an RC primary school, RC secondary school and an RC VI form. The point being? After God knows how many years of what you would view as indoctrination, I got a first class education, was taught how to question and think independently (which you allege believers are incapable of) and most surprisingly of all, given your bone assertions, left my belief in most of the tenets of Catholicism by the wayside. So your suppositions would appear somewhat limited.


Religious belief in most cases is harmless, yet some posters on here are obsessed with concentrating on its most harmful aspects and attributing those characteristics to all religions and believers.

[billybongo]

It was as amusing as leprosy.

How an atheists do you know proselytise? Few I imagine- most are content to question the claptrap the religious believe, and bring their kids up to value the ability to question and not be suckered into believing unmitigated claptrap.

To be fair, most. Are you not trying to convert me to your beliefs?

Have I attempted to convert anyone on here?

Like I said before, your arguments are flawed by the fact you exhibit the very same tenets that you accuse 'religionists' of using.

Religious belief in most cases is harmless, yet some posters on here are obsessed with concentrating on its most harmful aspects and attributing those characteristics to all religions and believers.

Nope - I care not what you believe. Just don't expect me to treat your belief with respect. I am fairly certain that if I was certain that Santa or fairies existed and developed an entire religion around it then you would think that I was a fruitcake and have little respect for those ideas; I think that the arguments to support the existence of god are as credible as any fairy-theory. And I apply that to all religions; I have no idea which one is nearest the truth and I doubt you have. None of them bring anything substantive to the argument for god, despite the vehement protestations of the pious.

Sure, a lot of religious belief is harmless but a lot is also very dangerous. It is too easily mixed with political ideology and the inability of man to accept others and the religious are often so wrapped up in their own righteousness that they find it difficult to live side-by-side with others of differing views.

[Northern Monkey]

So, according to your last sentence, the problem is not religion but man. Religion has been used all too often as an excuse for violence and extension of power. Blame that on human nature-if it wasn't religion it would be something else.

I don't believe I have professed to know which religion is nearest the truth but the difference is I have been taught to show respect to all. It would appear that you only respect what coincides with your point of view. You can vehemently disagree with something but still be respectful. My job demands it. Personally, be as disrespectful as you please-I certainly don't demand you respect my beliefs.

But from some of the comments of atheists on here, you lot are more militant, and certainly more patronising, than any fundamentalists. The poll at the top last time I checked suggests a fairly even split between believers and heathens, so clearly there's a lot of gullible people out there.

That seems to bother you, Billy

[billybongo]

So, according to your last sentence, the problem is not religion but man. Religion has been used all too often as an excuse for violence and extension of power. Blame that on human nature-if it wasn't religion it would be something else.

Of course it's man that's the issue - he uses religion, which is man made, as a reason for some of those issues.

[billybongo]

I don't believe I have professed to know which religion is nearest the truth but the difference is I have been taught to show respect to all. It would appear that you only respect what coincides with your point of view.

What do you mean respect? Do you mean accept without question or do you mean tread lightly where religious views are concerned in case you offend someone. That's not respect - that's pussy-footing around sensitivities.

If you respect religions that preach barbaric practices I would suggest that you have your priorities badly mixed up.

"slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free."

Comments and ideas like this are unacceptable today, yet there are the religious who regard them as sacred and do not deserve any respect whatsoever. This is at the extreme end of comments, I grant you, but when you then add this to ideas that are clearly fantastical, it becomes difficult to respect religion.

[Northern Monkey]

I don't believe I have professed to know which religion is nearest the truth but the difference is I have been taught to show respect to all. It would appear that you only respect what coincides with your point of view.

What do you mean respect? Do you mean accept without question or do you mean tread lightly where religious views are concerned in case you offend someone. That's not respect - that's pussy-footing around sensitivities.

If you respect religions that preach barbaric practices I would suggest that you have your priorities badly mixed up.

"slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free."

Comments and ideas like this are unacceptable today, yet there are the religious who regard them as sacred and do not deserve any respect whatsoever. This is at the extreme end of comments, I grant you, but when you then add this to ideas that are clearly fantastical, it becomes difficult to respect religion.

Extreme to say the least but if it helps you prove a point.

Like I say, you cannot use such an argument to tar all religion or belief.

We appear to be chasing tails again for no end result.

Since my son was born today I'm not in a particularly combative mood.

Maybe later...

[StickyEnd]

I don't believe I have professed to know which religion is nearest the truth but the difference is I have been taught to show respect to all. It would appear that you only respect what coincides with your point of view.

What do you mean respect? Do you mean accept without question or do you mean tread lightly where religious views are concerned in case you offend someone. That's not respect - that's pussy-footing around sensitivities.

If you respect religions that preach barbaric practices I would suggest that you have your priorities badly mixed up.

"slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free."

Comments and ideas like this are unacceptable today, yet there are the religious who regard them as sacred and do not deserve any respect whatsoever. This is at the extreme end of comments, I grant you, but when you then add this to ideas that are clearly fantastical, it becomes difficult to respect religion.

Extreme to say the least but if it helps you prove a point.

Like I say, you cannot use such an argument to tar all religion or belief.

We appear to be chasing tails again for no end result.

Since my son was born today I'm not in a particularly combative mood.

Maybe later...

Hardly extreme. The Bible and Koran have some pretty vile things in them. That is a fact, to expect people to ignore that is asking a bit much.

ETA: So have you just become a dad? If so, congratulations.

[Northern Monkey]

I'm not asking you to ignore anything. I'm just saying I'm too busy slaying idolators, being Christian, to come back with a reasonoble argument.