Are you religious?

[tattybadger]

ND

[tattybadger]

Tattybadger started this one, I don't know what his solution is ? You know I've even come across five year olds in some parts of London who're not toilet trained and can't use a knife and fork it's that bad.

If I knew what the answer was I would be Obersturmbanfuhrer for lIfe lord Sir TB of Downing st.

I do know that we have not got it right despite Blair's banal and trite battle-cry of "education, education and education" back in 97.

There are a number of factors that will help to resolve issues, provided that they are properly administrated and resourced:

Encourage teachers by making their jobs more rewarding.

Allow discipline in classes.

Discourage pregnancy in women who do not have the sense of responsibility to cope with their right to sprog.

Discourage dependency on social security.

Encourage family values.

Make crime socially unaccepatble in sink estates.

Develop opportunities for kids to aspire to and encourage role models who add to society instead of destroy or dennigrate it.

Develop an integrated and diverse society.

Ensure that social security spending is correctly targetted and spent.

Change the attitude that we all have rights regardless of the cost to society - to one that associates responsibility with rights.

Encourage responsible parenting.

Bring back apprenticeships.

Bring back effective policing and respect for the fuzz.

Encourage kids.

More sport for kids.

More constructive activities for kids and less pap on TV etc.

Increase the strength of the military so that more kids can join and the values of the military start to become part of society.

Seperate religion form state and education (had to get that one in!!)

Long and tall orders I know and the list could go on and on. But the downward spiral must be halted soon else we degenerate into areas of barbarian tribes who add nothing but take everything

[GUNGA]

TB you should stand for PM I'd vote for you mate. That's a great list. It would get the kids off their couches and bloody computer games. I note the number of worries on here from unfit guys who think they'll fail their medical. can't they go out get some fresh air and have a game of footy!!! Too right about responsible parenting - but don't know how you stop teenage pregnancy. Cut the lad's b*ll*cks off ? Totally agree with your conclusion too.

[Excognito]

Because science only does natural explanations, nothing else. There are reasons. Ask a scientist why.
Look, anything can be explained with "God did it", it answers nothing.

Science is an attempt to discover how the Universe "we" experience works. It does not, and cannot, exclude God, should He exist, until the entire state of the Universe is known.

Let me give a simple example. There is a branch of mathematics that covers entities called cellular automata, the most famous of which is Conway's "Life". There is a pattern in Life that cannot arise out of normal development, it can only be put there. The pattern is referred to as a "Garden Of Eden" pattern. So, potentially, we could observe a pattern that has no explanation in 'natural' physics.

[tattybadger]

Because science only does natural explanations, nothing else. There are reasons. Ask a scientist why.
Look, anything can be explained with "God did it", it answers nothing.

Science is an attempt to discover how the Universe "we" experience works. It does not, and cannot, exclude God, should He exist, until the entire state of the Universe is known.

Let me give a simple example. There is a branch of mathematics that covers entities called cellular automata, the most famous of which is Conway's "Life". There is a pattern in Life that cannot arise out of normal development, it can only be put there. The pattern is referred to as a "Garden Of Eden" pattern. So, potentially, we could observe a pattern that has no explanation in 'natural' physics.

yet.

[BuggerAll]

Why did God make a world that appeared to have scientific explanation until you start looking at cellular automata. Did God who is omnipotent loose the plot. Or was this a failure of God's omnipotence in that he got bored and failed to tie up a few loose ends.

Doh! What has no explanation in science is why so many people continue to insists on the existence of their imaginary friend despite the complete lack of evidence to suggest that there might be any substance to it.

[tattybadger]

Buggerall - Buggerme cellualr automata looks complicated though!

[GUNGA]

Strangely enough, in one of those synchronic moments, I was reading about cellular automata. If anything it would suggest that patterns of complexity appear spontaneously and therefore would support TB's arguments rather than ours.

[StickyEnd]

Because science only does natural explanations, nothing else. There are reasons. Ask a scientist why.
Look, anything can be explained with "God did it", it answers nothing.

Science is an attempt to discover how the Universe "we" experience works. It does not, and cannot, exclude God, should He exist, until the entire state of the Universe is known.

Let me give a simple example. There is a branch of mathematics that covers entities called cellular automata, the most famous of which is Conway's "Life". There is a pattern in Life that cannot arise out of normal development, it can only be put there. The pattern is referred to as a "Garden Of Eden" pattern. So, potentially, we could observe a pattern that has no explanation in 'natural' physics.

Science does not allow "a miracle" as an explanation.Plus, science explains a damned sight more than we directly experience BTW.

[StickyEnd]

Strangely enough, in one of those synchronic moments, I was reading about cellular automata. If anything it would suggest that patterns of complexity appear spontaneously and therefore would support TB's arguments rather than ours.

Yes. Have you see a snowflake or crystal magnified?