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Discuss Are you religious? in The Science Forum on The Army Rumour Service; Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
Not so much pointless as complex, I'd argue. Language appears a derogation of life; nothing we can say matches what we mean, easily. Logical positivism tried to overcome the tautological problem ...
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Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker 
Not so much pointless as complex, I'd argue. Language appears a derogation of life; nothing we can say matches what we mean, easily. Logical positivism tried to overcome the tautological problem by having agreed starting points. But then they couldn't agree what was the best starting point!
Personally I think the taut. problem throws us onto language use.
I like the current art thread where everyone is describing the helter skelter Olympic artwork as:
Everyone in the post has said the same thing. Soldier X doesn't mean that, he actually means:
"I'm joining in with this social group to show I'm one of you" and/or
"I actually quite like it to be honest and could stare at it for hours" and/or
"I'm struggling financially in the current squeeze and this offends me" but would argue s/he really means:
"The object has no unity that I recognise and must reject it to protect my well-being and be faithful to the way I've lived so far and all my statements about the world which make up my identity"
It's possible Soldier X is found on the 'Our Schools Are Shocking' thread decrying the failure to stimulate creativity. Having educated modern children to reject non-unities and not 'see for themselves' (critical thinking) we decry why they can't deal with life and its ambiguities, misnomers and paradoxes.
Art or what????
Or Soldier X might really just think it looks crap.
Personally I think it looks like Lisa Simpson giving some bloke a BJ, but that could be misconstrued into a number of Freudian psychological answers too.Higgs_bosun likes this.For where thou art, there is the world itself, and where thou art not, desolation.
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Poor soldier X can't say what he means but I can mean what I say... religion is shite and no amount of psychology is going to change that. Trust me...
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I'll go with that, I also think that religion is shite. Not just shite but positively harmful. Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun Poor soldier X can't say what he means but I can mean what I say... religion is shite and no amount of psychology is going to change that. Trust me...
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Can be. So can modern individualistic secular society. Originally Posted by StickyEnd
Why pick on one and not the other? Church going is less than 6% in this country. Therefore, secular liberal democracy is the dominant worldview.
Blaming a worldview that is now two to three generations past seems redundant."As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
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You keep on beating strawmen, avoiding the actual points. Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
- 13-05-2012, 13:29 #11946 Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
Maybe in this country, but the rest of the world outside Western Europe is utterly mad with religious fanaticism. The Bible belt is crazy, so is every country in the Middle East and most of Africa/Asia/Pacific. Communism was a better deal because back then our enemies wanted to live. Nowadays our enemies want to die.For where thou art, there is the world itself, and where thou art not, desolation.
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I struggle to see that. Secularism is a dominant worldview in the West. Seems a reasonable statement. Originally Posted by StickyEnd "As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
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Maybe it is, I would like to think so. But why label it as; Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
You seem to be trying to demonise a fucking good idea.modern individualistic secular society.
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The Enlightenment is based on criticising itself heavily. And it has its demons, for sure. Dogma exists in many guises. Originally Posted by StickyEnd "As we moved slowly through the outskirts of the town we passed row after row of little grey slum houses running at right angles to the embankment. At the back of one of the houses a young woman was kneeling on the stones, poking a stick up the leaden waste-pipe which ran from the sink inside and which I suppose was blocked. I had time to see everything about her - her sacking apron, her clumsy clogs, her arms reddened by the cold. She looked up as the train passed, and I was almost near enough to catch her eye." Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
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NO BLAME.... we are just stating that religion is shite and dangerous regardless of demographics and statistics. "Secular liberal democracy" is not a flip side of religion. Too many words... like 'Christian fundamental facists'... is not a religion. Statistics show that secular countries in the West are moral and peaceful, religious countries are not. Do your research. Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
Not if the USA is in the West. Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
Enlightenment is only a process. Atheism is dogma free BSL. Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker
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