Are you religious?

[Higgs_bosun]

You keep running this sort of quote out. Can you actually give me any example of Jesus doing this or suggesting it would be a good idea?

It does not matter what anyone called jesus may or may not have said...why should the garbled myths from an old book rule your mind?. What Noddy said is just as important. Fictional philosophy or not, killing for jesus has gone on for centuries and it goes on today... Islam is another example of how religion has destroyed world peace.

You will now claim that it is man's corruption of the biblical words that must be blamed...the words are in fact so garbled that we would be better off if all bibles and qurans were with a health warning. Look at this...

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

See what I mean?

Atheists don't need or want any of this shit. We have been persecuted and burned at the stake in the past for finding out the truth about religious mumbo jumbo.

It's about time you set yourself free BP.

[Jockharvey]

Dug these figures up from Encyclopedia Britannica
There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:
1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
2. Islam: 1.3 billion
3. Hinduism: 900 million
4. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
5. Buddhism: 376 million
6. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
7. Sikhism: 23 million
8. Juche: 19 million
9. Spiritism: 15 million
10. Judaism: 14 million
11. Baha'i: 7 million
12. Jainism: 4.2 million
13. Shinto: 4 million
14. Cao Dai: 4 million
15. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
16. Tenrikyo: 2 million
17. Neo-Paganism: 1 million
18. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
19. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
20. Scientology: 500 thousand

So: If one of these is a persons religious belief, I believe that it is the one that you have been indoctrinated into as a child, or it was dependant on your country of residence when you were in your informative youth, that coupled with a fear not to believe, which to me is just another form of insanity. (Irrational and unfounded fear)

Therefore, if you have chosen one of these gods you are automatically rejecting all of the others, yes?

Subsequently, if you reject all of the other gods, your god in naturally being rejected by the followers of the other gods. A rational and fully sane person would reject all gods equally.

If just one of these Gods were real, it stands that its followers would be given great benefits and subsequently other people would notice this and subsequently follow that God. Makes sense to me but I see nothing like that anywhere is that not very odd?

[Fred_Frog_1987]

You keep running this sort of quote out. Can you actually give me any example of Jesus doing this or suggesting it would be a good idea?

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[Jockharvey]

If you really think about the God thing you cannot help but realise that there are so many contradictions there, and some are so ridiculous that is bordering on crass stupidity. The bible must have been compiled by a committee of latter day mental institution escapees.
Here is one very simple example. On the day Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, he discovers that the Israelites have created a golden calf. So, to punish the people, Moses gathers a group of men and takes the following action in the book of Exodus, Chapter 32:
Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbour.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
So... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next minute we have God telling each man to strap a sword to his side and slaughter tthousands. Wouldn't you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? 3,000 dead people are a lot of commandment breaking. Obviously that is a total contradiction. The reason why you find thousands of contradictions like that in the Bible is because God never existed, it was a Roman (Hence Roman Catholic) who gave the instruction to three monks, preachers or whatever to write the Bible in the first place. That was 300AD, they subsequently made a real horlicks of the whole fairy story, from beginning to end. God never existed and never will.
God exists only in the mind of sadly deluded people.

[Jockharvey]

Also:Keep in mind what Jesus promised:
• If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
• If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
• Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
• Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]
Irrespective of the situation, of the millions of reasons to show that the bible and all of its content is nonsense, some deluded people will always come up with an answer, and the answer is also rubbish. The truth is, if you have this ridiculous attitude you will come up with some garbage to avert the truth and maintain your preposterous childish beliefs, in short you are just afraid to accept the truth.
Here is an explanation that you might have heard or used before. The reason God cures thousands of cancers, infections, etc, each day but never intervene with amputees is because it is not God's will to do that. It is not part of God's plan.
Some people ascribe the problems that amputees face to free will. They will say, "Well, if you go into a war zone and get your legs blown off, that is your own free will. God gives us free will. You made a free choice to be a soldier. It is not God's fault, and therefore he has no obligation to repair the damage." This logic is fascinating. What about all the people who are born with missing limbs, or the people who lose limbs to diseases through no fault or choice of their own? How are these people any different from cancer victims, who, supposedly, are constantly being healed by God?
We know that God ignores all amputees, regardless of the cause of the missing limb. Why doesn't God heal thalidomide babies, who are by definition completely innocent? Or the innocent children who lose their limbs in mine fields? Why would God heal millions of other diseases, but completely ignore any disease that results in a lost or missing limb?

Some believers say, "God does help amputees - he inspires scientists and engineers to create artificial limbs for them!" This logic is interesting, especially if we look at other examples. Take the case of smallpox. Millions upon millions of people died of smallpox until the vaccine was invented in the twentieth century. If God is the one who inspired the scientists, why did God wait until the twentieth century to do it? Why would God want to be the source of the massive suffering that smallpox caused prior to the twentieth century? And why do we pay the scientists, given that their work is simply God's inspiration?

Jesus is supposed to love all the little children of the world: "Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight." So we can ask this straightforward question: If children are precious to Jesus, then why is he killing 10 million of them every year with abject poverty? That's 27,000 dead kids every day -- more than 1,000 dead children each hour. If Jesus answers prayers as he promises in the Bible, then why haven't the prayers of billions of people to end world hunger caused Jesus to solve the problem of global poverty?
Check this one. (Especially the godheads) God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs

[Higgs_bosun]

Jock, If the points have not sunk in yet they never will... It has all gone quiet over there! They are praying to the clouds for guidance on how to answer these observations. Blind faith means exactly that...

[Jockharvey]

Now. If a god really wanted to spread the word, would he not have at the very beginning of time have everyone speak one language?

And how about the Neanderthals and all the others who preceded mankind, or were these types just prototypes to be discarded after he managed to get it right (I.e. when the Scots came into being)?

Why did he not produce all mankind (Man embraces woman W Churchill 1941) the same, same colour, shape size, slitty eyes (prince Phillip in Oz a few years ago) and so on?

If he was the one God, why did he allow other gods at all? Perhaps he did this because all the other gods were older and more powerful than he?

Why did he not put in an appearance on occasions, just to remind us (as if we would have needed reminding) that he was the ‘Head Honcho’?

Why does he allow me to sit here and take the piss out of him? Why does he not just kick my ungodly arrse into some understanding of who and what he is?

Just one final thing. You said that I should pray and I shall receive; OK you told that idiot Mathew, well I have been praying for the sudden demise of a certain person and also a bottle of 10 YO Talisker to get me over the grief. I have received Zero, Zilch F/all Blank? WTFITAA.

Oh Yes; and if you are there, thank you for making me a Jock! No wait a wee minute, I was born in London, 1940, Mum was killed there and my Dad blamed me, but at least he sent me to Scotland. So FO.

Turn to Matthew 6:25-34. Jesus says:

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself” .

Turn to Jock 28/02/12 "But take out life insurance anyway just to be sure". ???

[Excognito]

And I could quote just as many Bible quotes which call for rape and murder

Not from the New Testament, you can't.

Why is the Bible any more special than the Koran?

Because Christians believe that Jesus was the Son of God and the New Testament is our primary guidance set of documents.

In a sense, it doesn't matter that much to me as Christianity, Judaism and Islam believe in the same God. One way of looking at it, is that Judaism is the Navy, Christianity the Army and Islam the RAF. The Army, RN and RAF all report to HM but have their own different views on defence (and historically have been involved in almost as much infighting as outfighting ). We even have Jolly Jacktars using BRs (OT+Torah) whilst the good old Crab use APs (Koran). Not a particularly good analogy, I know as the Old Testament is more a Joint Publication, but ...

[Fred_Frog_1987]

Seeing as the Old Testament has become a bit embarrassing to those at the normal end of the Christian spectrum, isn't it time to leave it out of the next revision?

[Jockharvey]

Jock, If the points have not sunk in yet they never will... It has all gone quiet over there! They are praying to the clouds for guidance on how to answer these observations. Blind faith means exactly that...

Yes Mr Boson, I suspect that you are correct in suggesting that the obvious is perhaps just too obvious for some, I also feel that it will be difficult to come up with something that contradicts, but; come up with it they will. It will be a load of Bo*****s but it will satisfy their initial needs to justify their extraordinary belief that there is some kind of being hovering around in the atmosphere just waiting to assist them into some kind of utopian world. Never mind, I enjoy taking the P***, gives me something to play with, glad that I was born a male otherwise I would have had nothing to play with at all.