Are you religious?

[Excognito]

Cogi...I get death threats all the time from these deluded and dangerous idiots.

You mean the same ones everybody else gets? Are the offenders, say, Glaswegian and roaring drunk lying in a doorway at the time? Do you see them on the TV? Is it your neighbour on about the hedges again? Or are they personal and credible, directed at you because of some action or statement you've made?

Anyway, what's one more threat or two amongst the many ("all the time") you get? Here's another source for you to get your opinion on the map: Al Jazeera English - News Suggest Topic Don't forget to post the link on ARRSE.

Like you they are unable to see reason or reality. The world is doomed because of religion.

Oh, I can see reason and reality, all right. It's you I'm worried about.

[Higgs_bosun]

You mean the same ones everybody else gets? Are the offenders, say, Glaswegian and roaring drunk lying in a doorway at the time? Do you see them on the TV? Is it your neighbour on about the hedges again? Or are they personal and credible, directed at you because of some action or statement you've made?

Anyway, what's one more threat or two amongst the many ("all the time") you get? Here's another source for you to get your opinion on the map: Al Jazeera English - News Suggest Topic Don't forget to post the link on ARRSE.

Oh, I can see reason and reality, all right. It's you I'm worried about.

The threats are from a range of religious nuts...muslims and christians. They don't like being informed that they are brainwashed and that their lives are ruined by unecessary servility to man's imaginary gods. Apparently violence is in accordance with their doctrine and has been for the last couple of thousand years.

The world is doomed to dogma...

[Excognito]

You mean the same ones everybody else gets? Are the offenders, say, Glaswegian and roaring drunk lying in a doorway at the time? Do you see them on the TV? Is it your neighbour on about the hedges again? Or are they personal and credible, directed at you because of some action or statement you've made?

The threats are from a range of religious nuts...muslims and christians. They don't like being informed that they are brainwashed and that their lives are ruined by unecessary servility to man's imaginary gods.

Oh, I see. The old internet hardmen, fitting it in between their porn appeciation. So, significantly less real than a legless Glaswegian drunk and about as credible as a politician's promises.

Just like this guy's threats

Religion...oh how I love religion........ Wish I could get that weeping monster's email address... I'd give him something to frickin cry about! Twitter twitter....

I'm even more worried about you and your grip on reality.

Apparently violence is in accordance with their do
ctrine ...

Apparently, stirring it up is in accordance with your doctrine ...

But I note that you didn't address the main point, which is you having a jolly strong word or two with Nasser bin Sleiman Al-Omar. Here's a request I prepared earlier:

Anyway, what's one more threat or two amongst the many ("all the time") you get? Here's another source for you to get your opinion on the map: Al Jazeera English - News Suggest Topic Don't forget to post the link on ARRSE.

[Higgs_bosun]

Oh, I see. The old internet hardmen, fitting it in between their porn appeciation. So, significantly less real than a legless Glaswegian drunk and about as credible as a politician's promises.

Just like this guy's threats


I'm even more worried about you and your grip on reality.

Apparently, stirring it up is in accordance with your doctrine ...

But I note that you didn't address the main point, which is you having a jolly strong word or two with Nasser bin Sleiman Al-Omar. Here's a request I prepared earlier:

Gogi, You are generating yet another red herring, rather than face the facts...religion breeds hatred and division, that is the point. The idea that I should expose myself to deluded radicals is not going to happen...sorry but you can't get rid of me that way. You may need to wait until we are all sentenced to death by our islamic rulers in the not too distant future.

I make no apologies for being pro-active against the deadly dogmas that infect the planet. It's about time you opened your eyes, in between those mindless incantations pal.

[Dashing_Chap]

Bit of a debate going on on Radio 4 right now, You & Yours have a few callers in debating secular religion with a Bishop. I assume the majority of casual posters on this thread have phoned in to air their views. There was even one astute chap who said all religion was brainwashing, I was obliged to agree.

BBC - BBC Radio 4 Programmes - You and Yours, Call You and Yours

[Higgs_bosun]

Bit of a debate going on on Radio 4 right now, You & Yours have a few callers in debating secular religion with a Bishop. I assume the majority of casual posters on this thread have phoned in to air their views. There was even one astute chap who said all religion was brainwashing, I was obliged to agree.

BBC - BBC Radio 4 Programmes - You and Yours, Call You and Yours

That was interesting DC...

I am working on a way to confront theists with questions that will make them think...faith in gods stops people thinking outside of their decrepit religious books. Even with the latest science we don't know for sure how the universe works so how can religions claim that they, without any science at all, know how their gods work?..the exact details of their god's will and intentions? What evidence is there to support a heaven and hell? etc... If their faith in gods is based upon the unknown origins of this universe and the questions of what reality is...how can they believe in stuff that is obviously imaginary and impossible to prove? The unknown is the unknown and may even be unknowable. Got any ideas?

[Jockharvey]

Evolution
A reconstruction of Australopithecus afarensis, a human ancestor that had developed bipedalism, but
The scientific study of human evolution encompasses the development of the genus Homo, but usually involves studying other hominids and hominines as well, such as Australopithecus. "Modern humans" are defined as the Homo sapiens species, of which the only extant subspecies is known as Homo sapiens sapiens. Homo sapiens idaltu (roughly translated as "elder wise human"), the other known subspecies, is now extinct. Homo neanderthalensis, which became extinct 30,000 years ago, has sometimes been classified as a subspecies, "Homo sapiens neanderthalensis"; genetic studies now suggest that the functional DNA of modern humans and Neanderthals diverged 500,000 years ago. Similarly, the few specimens of Homo rhodesiensis have also occasionally been classified as a subspecies, but this is not widely accepted. Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago. The broad study of African genetic diversity headed by Dr. Sarah Tishkoff found the San people to express the greatest genetic diversity among the 113 distinct populations sampled, making them one of 14 "ancestral population clusters". The research also located the origin of modern human migration in south-western Africa, near the coastal border of Namibia and Angola.
The evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back 65 million years, as one of the oldest of all surviving placental mammal groups. The oldest known primate-like mammal species (those of the genus Plesiadapis) come from North America, but they were widespread in Eurasia and Africa during the tropical conditions of the Paleocene and Eocene. Molecular evidence suggests that the last common ancestor between humans and the remaining great apes diverged between 8 and 4 million years ago, first the gorillas, and then the chimpanzees (genus Pan) split off from the line leading to the humans; the functional human DNA is approximately 98.4% identical to that of chimpanzees when comparing single nucleotide polymorphisms (see human evolutionary genetics). Therefore, the closest living relatives of humans are gorillas and chimpanzees, as they share a common ancestor.

Wait a minute, I have got something wrong here. Sorry. I will start again; Gentle Jesus’s old man made the ‘Big Bang’ from bugger all, he then, having so much time on his hands then made the Chimpanzee and promptly forgot about them for a few billion years, however, since he had not visited Earth for so long the chimp then mutated into Australopithecus afarensis, seeing this he just sat back and waited for further developments.

What we have now is a lot of people who are simply chimply in origin. Seeing this J,C’s old man just buggered off and went back to where he had come from, so where did he come from, easy, he came from the brains of the creatures that he had made so long ago and he still resides there in some of the creatures that he himself had made. A kind of self-replicating thing in the weaker minds of some of his own inventions.

[Higgs_bosun]

Evolution
A reconstruction of Australopithecus afarensis, a human ancestor that had developed bipedalism, but
The scientific study of human evolution encompasses the development of the genus Homo, but usually involves studying other hominids and hominines as well, such as Australopithecus. "Modern humans" are defined as the Homo sapiens species, of which the only extant subspecies is known as Homo sapiens sapiens. Homo sapiens idaltu (roughly translated as "elder wise human"), the other known subspecies, is now extinct. Homo neanderthalensis, which became extinct 30,000 years ago, has sometimes been classified as a subspecies, "Homo sapiens neanderthalensis"; genetic studies now suggest that the functional DNA of modern humans and Neanderthals diverged 500,000 years ago. Similarly, the few specimens of Homo rhodesiensis have also occasionally been classified as a subspecies, but this is not widely accepted. Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago. The broad study of African genetic diversity headed by Dr. Sarah Tishkoff found the San people to express the greatest genetic diversity among the 113 distinct populations sampled, making them one of 14 "ancestral population clusters". The research also located the origin of modern human migration in south-western Africa, near the coastal border of Namibia and Angola.
The evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back 65 million years, as one of the oldest of all surviving placental mammal groups. The oldest known primate-like mammal species (those of the genus Plesiadapis) come from North America, but they were widespread in Eurasia and Africa during the tropical conditions of the Paleocene and Eocene. Molecular evidence suggests that the last common ancestor between humans and the remaining great apes diverged between 8 and 4 million years ago, first the gorillas, and then the chimpanzees (genus Pan) split off from the line leading to the humans; the functional human DNA is approximately 98.4% identical to that of chimpanzees when comparing single nucleotide polymorphisms (see human evolutionary genetics). Therefore, the closest living relatives of humans are gorillas and chimpanzees, as they share a common ancestor.

Wait a minute, I have got something wrong here. Sorry. I will start again; Gentle Jesus’s old man made the ‘Big Bang’ from bugger all, he then, having so much time on his hands then made the Chimpanzee and promptly forgot about them for a few billion years, however, since he had not visited Earth for so long the chimp then mutated into Australopithecus afarensis, seeing this he just sat back and waited for further developments.

What we have now is a lot of people who are simply chimply in origin. Seeing this J,C’s old man just buggered off and went back to where he had come from, so where did he come from, easy, he came from the brains of the creatures that he had made so long ago and he still resides there in some of the creatures that he himself had made. A kind of self-replicating thing in the weaker minds of some of his own inventions.

You are far too generous Jock...Clearly the way so called modern man evolved can be determined as pure survival within random conditions...not a flicker of anything other than mindless nature was involved. The word god and a mention of historical figures are as relevant to evolution as say..Groucho Marx.

I can however accept that those 'beings' with susceptibility to religions are a throwback of some kind. Now threatened by their own inability to rationalise they may be on the brink of a Lemming style extinction. Only atheists with the new gene are aware of this.

[bigpod]

Evolution
A reconstruction of Australopithecus afarensis, a human ancestor that had developed bipedalism, but
The scientific study of human evolution encompasses the development of the genus Homo, but usually involves studying other hominids and hominines as well, such as Australopithecus. "Modern humans" are defined as the Homo sapiens species, of which the only extant subspecies is known as Homo sapiens sapiens. Homo sapiens idaltu (roughly translated as "elder wise human"), the other known subspecies, is now extinct. Homo neanderthalensis, which became extinct 30,000 years ago, has sometimes been classified as a subspecies, "Homo sapiens neanderthalensis"; genetic studies now suggest that the functional DNA of modern humans and Neanderthals diverged 500,000 years ago. Similarly, the few specimens of Homo rhodesiensis have also occasionally been classified as a subspecies, but this is not widely accepted. Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago. The broad study of African genetic diversity headed by Dr. Sarah Tishkoff found the San people to express the greatest genetic diversity among the 113 distinct populations sampled, making them one of 14 "ancestral population clusters". The research also located the origin of modern human migration in south-western Africa, near the coastal border of Namibia and Angola.
The evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back 65 million years, as one of the oldest of all surviving placental mammal groups. The oldest known primate-like mammal species (those of the genus Plesiadapis) come from North America, but they were widespread in Eurasia and Africa during the tropical conditions of the Paleocene and Eocene. Molecular evidence suggests that the last common ancestor between humans and the remaining great apes diverged between 8 and 4 million years ago, first the gorillas, and then the chimpanzees (genus Pan) split off from the line leading to the humans; the functional human DNA is approximately 98.4% identical to that of chimpanzees when comparing single nucleotide polymorphisms (see human evolutionary genetics). Therefore, the closest living relatives of humans are gorillas and chimpanzees, as they share a common ancestor.

Wait a minute, I have got something wrong here. Sorry. I will start again; Gentle Jesus’s old man made the ‘Big Bang’ from bugger all, he then, having so much time on his hands then made the Chimpanzee and promptly forgot about them for a few billion years, however, since he had not visited Earth for so long the chimp then mutated into Australopithecus afarensis, seeing this he just sat back and waited for further developments.

What we have now is a lot of people who are simply chimply in origin. Seeing this J,C’s old man just buggered off and went back to where he had come from, so where did he come from, easy, he came from the brains of the creatures that he had made so long ago and he still resides there in some of the creatures that he himself had made. A kind of self-replicating thing in the weaker minds of some of his own inventions.

And this has what to do with religion, or faith?

Feel free to believe my faith is made up, but don't then try to attribute your own made up additions.

[bigpod]

You are far too generous Jock...Clearly the way so called modern man evolved can be determined as pure survival within random conditions...not a flicker of anything other than mindless nature was involved. The word god and a mention of historical figures are as relevant to evolution as say..Groucho Marx.

I can however accept that those 'beings' with susceptibility to religions are a throwback of some kind. Now threatened by their own inability to rationalise they may be on the brink of a Lemming style extinction. Only atheists with the new gene are aware of this.

Sorry - you consider only Atheists can be rational, but also believe even freewill doesn't exist. By that measure, none of us can be wrong or right, rational or irrational. We just exist in the way we do because of the arrangement of our atoms, and their interaction with the space/time continuum. Of course, in all likelihood your atoms will still make you respond to this post, but hey ho, its just the universe.

I will continue to believe in freewill, and use that to feel secure in my faith.