Thread: DII(F) - Better or worse than the system you had?

Originally Posted by The_Snail

Originally Posted by polar

Originally Posted by Baldrick66

Giving BAe a headache must be the understatement of the year! I can't wait to hear the former DAWN user reactions to (F) over the next few weeks either! :D

Not entirely sure what DAWN is, but the happiest users using the system I work with are on ........... DII(F).

It's slow as fuck. However -

<<Rant mode on

I tried to log on to my (C) account today, to be told that I no longer existed. I called "the bloke in charge" - apparently it's because my (F) account is being set up and will take up to 48 hours.

Well, fuck me, that's useful.

A typical thing in my office tomorrow will go like:

"Can I have..."

"No"

"Can you sort my....."

"No"

"Can you check my...."

"No"

For the likes of you turds, that slate clerks for their lack of knowledge on JPA, I suggest you look further afield and look where the real culprits are.

'Cos it ain't us.

If we don't have the equipment, we can't fucking use it.

>>Rant off

I think it's great.

There are plenty of clerks, oops sorry, Human Resource Managers, who have the kit but won't do anything because they 'are not clerks, we are HR managers'. I think what these cretins, sorry, HR managers, mean is 'I'm terribly sorry but I don't actually have a clue'
This could be because of any/several of the following.

Lack of training
Lack of intelligence
No access to the software cos there is no Local security officer so no one can have a password reset (and the original password didn't make it to the right site and hence they didn't get the first password)
No access to the software because the user doesn't have authority to use it
Fewer terminals than users
Soldiers going to HR managers when they could do most of these tasks themselves if they had access to the system and suitable training. ( and not spent 2 hours looking at pictures of tanks being stopped at 'roadblocks')
Not enough accounts
Dii(f) being a big bag of shite, loosely tied together with used string which is rolled out to sites with no-one even pretending to be managing the project.

Apart from all that is ace

Still waiting for our 30 terminals (for an entire unit 600 strong) to arrive, network still not ready anyway, slippage is the key word.

Account setups have started to be the new buzz at the weekly execs but you cant get an account until you've done the training, cant do the online training package until you have an account.. sorry did you expect the entire unit to bus to some makeshift classroom for a training?

Mil networks being mil networks are accredited so why this epic balls ache, if we have a fibre/UTP WAN thats accredited (point I'm making is accredited) why dont they swap the machines over or install a new DII build on the existing machines (they are not ancient). Appreciate some nodes will require an upgrade but how much of this is money for old rope yet is still proving to be nigh on impossible to implement. Get the bandwidth in then switch over the existing WAN.

Oh were not supposed to solutionise contracts, they want the privilidge to charge ££ to do that.

Originally Posted by Disco

Still waiting for our 30 terminals (for an entire unit 600 strong) to arrive, network still not ready anyway, slippage is the key word.

Account setups have started to be the new buzz at the weekly execs but you cant get an account until you've done the training, cant do the online training package until you have an account.. sorry did you expect the entire unit to bus to some makeshift classroom for a training?

Mil networks being mil networks are accredited so why this epic balls ache, if we have a fibre/UTP WAN thats accredited (point I'm making is accredited) why dont they swap the machines over or install a new DII build on the existing machines (they are not ancient). Appreciate some nodes will require an upgrade but how much of this is money for old rope yet is still proving to be nigh on impossible to implement. Get the bandwidth in then switch over the existing WAN.

Oh were not supposed to solutionise contracts, they want the privilidge to charge ££ to do that.

30? 30? Who the fuck do you know?

(Toppers, look at my dog funny and I will kill you, end of).

Originally Posted by polar

Not entirely sure what DAWN is

Something like Distributed AbbeyWood Network. It is the Restricted/Secret system in Abbeywood (MoD PE --> DPA --> DLO, DE&S estate) in Bristol. The F implementation was a spectacular cockup with 2* letters zinging all over the place :D Almost as good as the Germany F rollout and as good as..........

F users are only ever happy when they have nothing previous to compare it to!

Originally Posted by Disco

....but how much of this is money for old rope....

Bingo.

Originally Posted by theoriginalphantom

Dii(f) being a big bag of shite, loosely tied together with used string which is rolled out to sites with no-one even pretending to be managing the project.

But for some reason your corps is getting DII(F) before others (except TA) and most whinges from your 'service' come from those without it. I have my hunch why your 'service' is getting DII(F) ahead of others and why it seems to work out of the box.

Originally Posted by polar

Originally Posted by theoriginalphantom

Dii(f) being a big bag of shite, loosely tied together with used string which is rolled out to sites with no-one even pretending to be managing the project.

But for some reason your corps is getting DII(F) before others (except TA) and most whinges from your 'service' come from those without it. I have my hunch why your 'service' is getting DII(F) ahead of others and why it seems to work out of the box.

Stand by trigger.

It's not the point of getting DII(F), it's getting the bloody hardware (That's the screens and them box things in case you were too thick to understand) and the log-ins.

I only got my log-in yesterday, but couldn't try it out until this morning when - oh shock and fucking horror - nothing had migrated,and my DII(C) account was closed.

It's slow as fuck (I might have mentioned that in a previous post) and is shite.

As for your comments about "your Corps", please elaborate.

Originally Posted by The_Snail

As for your comments about "your Corps", please elaborate.

As someone mentioned its great for those who had nothing before (like me), I love the ability to log onto the system anywhere and still access my data.

I can't elaborate as it may be a sackable offence, lets just say DII(F) isn't in Scotland but for a certain corps it is. Oddly the primary app they are using is supplied by _____ part of _____, maybe they are the only part of _______ that actually delivers.

Originally Posted by polar

Originally Posted by The_Snail

As for your comments about "your Corps", please elaborate.

As someone mentioned its great for those who had nothing before (like me), I love the ability to log onto the system anywhere and still access my data.

I can't elaborate as it may be a sackable offence, lets just say DII(F) isn't in Scotland but for a certain corps it is. Oddly the primary app they are using is supplied by _____ part of _____, maybe they are the only part of _______ that actually delivers.

Bully for you.

Some of us actually need to use DII (C or F) every day.

I can't elaborate as it may be a sackable offence, lets just say DII(F) isn't in Scotland but for a certain corps it is.

That is the biggest load of shite I have heard tonight. How old are you? 12? Do you actually know what you are talking about?

DAWN was "Delivering Abbey Wood Networks" when I first encountered it cica 2000 it was a pretty poor NT 351 system. However after the IBM tech refresh to XP it was pretty good. Then along came DII(F) and back to the bad old days. Unresponsive helpdesk, massive problems of account migration, it took them 3 months to sort out my account. The system has inadequate storage and is a pain to use. It is far far worse than DAWN or C or NavyNet.

Originally Posted by Gerge211

It is far far worse than DAWN or C or NavyNet.

Thats not what I heard, I've heard NavyNet delayed deployment of some systems until DII(F) came in.

Originally Posted by polar

Originally Posted by Gerge211

It is far far worse than DAWN or C or NavyNet.

Thats not what I heard, I've heard NavyNet delayed deployment of some systems until DII(F) came in.

Yep 100% correct......... reason? NavyNet was outsourced in Increment 1 and should have been completely replaced 2 years ago. Instead not even 50% has been completed with no budget for any upgrades or replacement of hardware. Jolly Jack really got stiffed on that deal

Originally Posted by Baldrick66

Originally Posted by polar

Originally Posted by Gerge211

It is far far worse than DAWN or C or NavyNet.

Thats not what I heard, I've heard NavyNet delayed deployment of some systems until DII(F) came in.

Yep 100% correct......... reason? NavyNet was outsourced in Increment 1 and should have been completely replaced 2 years ago. Instead not even 50% has been completed with no budget for any upgrades or replacement of hardware. Jolly Jack really got stiffed on that deal

Wasn't NavyNet done by EDS - the main player in ATLAS??? How did EDS manage to avoid the NHS's NPfIT project, may they aren't that daft afteral.

I'm really glad that I have all of this to look forward to when I migrate in Mar 09...

Where would be be without challenges?

I'm based in Edinburgh and our site was "upgraded" to DII/F in Nov 08. During the convoluted process each user was without access to any system for two days at least, due to data migration and hardware replacement.

The whole site was without email access for about 10 days and me personally for three weeks due to a major c**ck up with DNS associations.

There were a multitude of other issues regarding printers which were left with no network connections for upto 4 days until a maintenance engineer attended - whilst the ATLAS installation team was still on site. The stock answer given by the installers was to report any problem to the SPOC.

I had to report my email problem 7 times before it was resolved. On 4 occasions I was told the problem was fixed, only to find that it was not, and had no option but to raise another fault for the same problem. Eventually I raised a complaint, and even after that I was told wrongly the problem was solved on two further occasions.

To top it all when I was contacted to ask if the complaint could be closed - I asked for an explanation of what the problem was, and why it had taken so long to resolve. I was fobbed off with a load of bo***cks.

To this date there are still people experiencing problems associated with the introduction of DII/F. I would like to say that the whole experience was less than satisfactory, the reduced speeds and extended refresh times for browsing very disappointing - would I recommend this system to a friend ? - definitely not.