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Take a leading hand and give him a section of men to command in 'stan and we'll see who is f&ckin' superior.

tac

Originally Posted by plunderer

Take a leading hand and give him a section of men to command in 'stan and we'll see who is f&ckin' superior.

tac

Take a Corporal, stick him on grey funnel line and ask him to do firefighting and damage control. horse for courses!

Originally Posted by CaptainPlume

Take a Corporal, stick him on grey funnel line and ask him to do firefighting and damage control. horse for courses!

ANd tell him to take it up the hoop with a dram of rum!!! Horses for courses indeed!!!!

Originally Posted by plunderer

Take a leading hand and give him a section of men to command in 'stan and we'll see who is f&ckin' superior.

tac

I am sure with the same training provided to the Inf Cpl yes they would be able to do that.

I am sure that the Cpl will be able, with the same training, be able to act as the APS on a T45.

But then they would have joined the Navy.

IAW QRRNS (and I will get the para numbers tomorrow when in work) LH are equivalent to Cpl. Didn't used to but now is.

Originally Posted by plunderer

That, Sir, is total bollocks.

MY Flight Sergeants used to call me SIR when I was a WO2. In return, I used to call them Flight Sergeant.

Show me the warrant signed by the Secretary of State for Defence for a Flight Sergeant, please.

tac, every rank, NCO and officer, from Pte to A/Lt Col

That is very true.

Just because the blue jobs start with a 2 prop rank that equals cadet status in the army, it doesn't mean that their rank structure moves up one in equivilance.( I'm sure if a single prop blade was feasible they would use that too)

The army could do the same, making Sergeant roughly equivilant to Squadron leader.

Seen a LH lead a section and an RLC CPL lead a section both on exercise at SANTA, and although it wasnt for real I would choose the LH every day. The CPL needed tethering to the deck it was constant flap stations.

I have never heard anyone say AB1 is the same as L/Cpl as it is not. But I have heard plenty of people say it should be. And in comparison to corps l/cpls I agree. REME techs, RLC suppliers an AB1 would have as much responsibly if not more than these guys.

Well I did some digging around and bless the Joint Service ethos.

Queens Regulations for the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force both state that iaw Armed Force Act 2006 that blah blah blah the same rank etc. They both have a nice cut and paste table showing the equivalent ranks and how they stand. OR4 is Leading Hand and Cpl for both Army and RAF. Clear as a bell. Same typeface, same layout and all that. Obviously the Joint approved paragraph.

Queens Regulations for the Army. Same paragraph reference the Armed Forces Act but with an old copy of the tables showing Leading Hand but junior to Army and RAF. What raised my suspicions was the fact the junior bit is in brackets and different type face. Plus it still lists ranks long since gone. We haven't had Ordinary Seaman for a few years know.

So what does it all mean?? I have raised this with NAVSEC at NCHQ (his office obviously) and it will be looked at next review to try and get all three services on the same cut and paste table. For all practical purposes, and satisfying the Armed Forces Act which has no junior to clauses, a Leading Hand is the equivalent rank as a Cpl of the other services.

Interesting it lists Sgt as an OR5 and Petty Officers as OR6 so in effect a PO RN is senior to any Army or RAF Sgts. It seems some Cpl of a Horse is OR6 though. And why oh why has the Army regulations have a whole chapter on the Household Division and which Sliver Stick can talk to the Queen and why it seems they are not really under the Army's command but sort of "lended" to them.

The reason we do not have a L/Cpl equivalent is we do not need one.

AB2 - Training rank and once qualified and approved promoted to
AB1 - Doer rank. Air Picture Complier, Dipping the fuel tanks, cooking the breakfast, doing stores returns, greasing the guns and other "doing" roles.
Leading Hand - First rung of management ladder. The supervisor. There to direct and lead the AB1's in the tasks set out by the team leaders. Air Picture Supervisor, HQ1 watchkeepeing, Watch leader in galley etc.
Petty Officer - Lead teams and direct LH's efforts. Management role but the last of deep specialist daily doing role.
Chief Petty Officer - Now more about general management and less about deep daily specialist tasks. If it is broke and not working, has exhausted the standard procedures they bring their expertise to bear. Plus they will have wider ship responsibilities such as Divisional Officer or Officer of the Day duties etc.
Warrant Officer 2 - a technical branch rank but may be expanded to other branches.
Warrant Officer 1 - Split between deep specialists and SO3 type billets. Each unit will have an Executive Warrant Officer and then there are some Command level Warrant Officers.

That is how we use the ranks. There is no need for that L/Cpl section leader as we manage that by having senior AB1's.