RIP TA

**JonnoJonno** · 10-10-2009, 14:58

Originally Posted by polar

Originally Posted by JonnoJonno

Originally Posted by bibo_boy

What's the percentage of people in every TA unit that has or would go on ops tomorrow?

Well let everyone else transfer to the cadets as AI's .... Everyone's happy?

Some units will be made up almost entirely of people prepared to go on ops. Other units will be made up of wasters who joined to get a couple of weekends a year mountain biking in the Lake District, and the ability to swagger around saying they're soldiers to any slapper who'll listen to them.

How funny.

Facebook update: It's only the TA infantry not training until May.... Obviously my secret LCpl source needs to be hidden (apparantley this came from our 2IC)

Don't know why you quoted my post in yours; I didn't mention which cap badges are full of wasters.

**Cpt_Darling** · 10-10-2009, 15:04

Originally Posted by muppet89

out of interest, what about otc's? they still have 100 mtd's a year and they still get paid for at least part of their adventure training

Are you serious with this?We (RAuxAF) have been cut to 30, and we are preparing for Herrick next year!

Priorities in the wrong order perhaps?Even if we are RAF Regt!

stevieni22 · 10-10-2009, 15:06

To be honest looking at this thread i totally agree with the government having been in the infantry for 12 yrs and been to every theatre that conventional troops go to i have never seen or had TA input they have always been in the background in the UK doing training weekends and suchlike even from what i understand on Ops the TA very rarely go to front line platoons so whats the alternative? keep ploughing money into an organisation that only a small percentage of go on operations? or put that money into kit, equipment and facilities for regular units who WILL deploy i know which one makes sense sorry for some people who rely on the TA for income but these things happen when there is no requirment look at the royal irish home service!

**polar** · 10-10-2009, 15:10

Originally Posted by JonnoJonno

Originally Posted by polar

Originally Posted by JonnoJonno

Originally Posted by bibo_boy

What's the percentage of people in every TA unit that has or would go on ops tomorrow?

Well let everyone else transfer to the cadets as AI's .... Everyone's happy?

Some units will be made up almost entirely of people prepared to go on ops. Other units will be made up of wasters who joined to get a couple of weekends a year mountain biking in the Lake District, and the ability to swagger around saying they're soldiers to any slapper who'll listen to them.

How funny.

Facebook update: It's only the TA infantry not training until May.... Obviously my secret LCpl source needs to be hidden (apparantley this came from our 2IC)

Don't know why you quoted my post in yours; I didn't mention which cap badges are full of wasters.

Give you a clue. It's the sentence before you mentioned wasters, it's not that difficult is it?

**Whiskey_60** · 10-10-2009, 15:12

Originally Posted by stevieni22

To be honest looing at this thread i totally agree with the government having been in the infantry for 12 yrs and been to every theatre that conventional troops go to i have never seen or had TA input they have always been in the background in the UK doing training weekends and suchlike even from what i understand on Ops the TA very rarely go to front line platoons so whats the alternative? keep ploughing money into an organisation that only a small percentage of go on operations? or put that money into kit, equipment and facilities for regular units who WILL deploy i know which one makes sense sorry for some people who rely on the TA for income but these things happen when there is no requirment look at the royal irish home service!

Okay, rarely go? Most Infantry that deploy on Herrick end up at a FOB at some point.

Telic - Inf Force Protection Coy's - Out daily getting smashed with IEDs/Ambushes just like the Reg's were.

You probably didn't realise the STABs amongst your ranks filling IR's - don't worry, alot of reg's don't.

**EX_STAB** · 10-10-2009, 15:13

Originally Posted by stevieni22

To be honest looking at this thread i totally agree with the government having been in the infantry for 12 yrs and been to every theatre that conventional troops go to i have never seen or had TA input they have always been in the background in the UK doing training weekends and suchlike even from what i understand on Ops the TA very rarely go to front line platoons so whats the alternative? keep ploughing money into an organisation that only a small percentage of go on operations? or put that money into kit, equipment and facilities for regular units who WILL deploy i know which one makes sense sorry for some people who rely on the TA for income but these things happen when there is no requirment look at the royal irish home service!

1/5th of my Bn has just come back from OPs. two out of three platooons were in support of WELSH Gds on Op Panther Claw. At least one was shot. (NOt seriously)

The other pln was on FP.

Were they not needed then?

stevieni22 · 10-10-2009, 15:16

As i said dont bite because the TA is an old cold war back up that no longer serves its use and i know as a Pl Sjt that the number of TA on the fronline was next to zero sorry fellas this is the reality!

**cdo-engr** · 10-10-2009, 15:17

Dont get me started on OTC and the money wasted on them and their drinking club....

My unit it already down to 1 weekend a month and only the tuesday before.

and for those who think the TA do nothing tell that to all the guys in Afgan at the moment. i have done far more operational tours as TA than as a reg. and i've never been stuck in the rear just watching. on some of the tours it has been as much as 30% TA.

i totally believe this will happen. and when it does after 6 months of doing their own thing how hany people will return? after my 23 tears think it is time to finally hang up my uniform. shame but these things happen. i hear the girl guides are looking for volunteers..

RIP TA..

now they get their one army or should that be ONLY Army

**Whiskey_60** · 10-10-2009, 15:21

Originally Posted by stevieni22

As i said dont bite because the TA is an old cold war back up that no longer serves its use nad no i know as a Pl Sjt that the number of TA on the fronline was next to zero sorry fellas this is the reality!

Apologies, I bow down to your wisdom. Clearly the Pl Sjt that knows who is on what patrols and where across Helmand Province at all times whilst at the same time working flat out to keep his Platoon running and on the ball throughout their 6 month tour isn't worth arguing with, I'll only loose.

**762baynet** · 10-10-2009, 15:22

Originally Posted by stevieni22

To be honest looking at this thread i totally agree with the government having been in the infantry for 12 yrs and been to every theatre that conventional troops go to i have never seen or had TA input they have always been in the background in the UK doing training weekends and suchlike even from what i understand on Ops the TA very rarely go to front line platoons so whats the alternative? keep ploughing money into an organisation that only a small percentage of go on operations? or put that money into kit, equipment and facilities for regular units who WILL deploy i know which one makes sense sorry for some people who rely on the TA for income but these things happen when there is no requirment look at the royal irish home service!

My first post in the first thread I have looked at since returning from a PB on Herrick and I am 'outraged'. Do you really mean this, seriously?
Please learn to use the 'full stop' when typing, it makes it so much easier to read.....

On a more serious note, I have missed all this talk and only heard the rumours, I find it all quite worrying...

**Whiskey_60** · 10-10-2009, 15:23

Originally Posted by 762baynet

Originally Posted by stevieni22

To be honest looking at this thread i totally agree with the government having been in the infantry for 12 yrs and been to every theatre that conventional troops go to i have never seen or had TA input they have always been in the background in the UK doing training weekends and suchlike even from what i understand on Ops the TA very rarely go to front line platoons so whats the alternative? keep ploughing money into an organisation that only a small percentage of go on operations? or put that money into kit, equipment and facilities for regular units who WILL deploy i know which one makes sense sorry for some people who rely on the TA for income but these things happen when there is no requirment look at the royal irish home service!

My first post in the first thread I have looked at since returning from a PB on Herrick and I am 'outraged'. Do you really mean this, seriously?
Please learn to use the 'full stop' when typing, it makes it so much easier to read.....

On a more serious note, I have missed all this talk and only heard the rumours, I find it all quite worrying...

Welcome back mate, sorry it's all in such sh!t order!

stevieni22 · 10-10-2009, 15:23

Originally Posted by Whiskey_60

Originally Posted by stevieni22

As i said dont bite because the TA is an old cold war back up that no longer serves its use nad no i know as a Pl Sjt that the number of TA on the fronline was next to zero sorry fellas this is the reality!

Apologies, I bow down to your wisdom. Clearly the Pl Sjt that knows who is on what patrols and where across Helmand Province at all times whilst at the same time working flat out to keep his Platoon running and on the ball throughout their 6 month tour isn't worth arguing with, I'll only loose.

Am just going off my experiance from being in the army since 96 that as much as a good thing the TA is for some people that it no longer is economical sorry but RIP

**STILTS** · 10-10-2009, 15:24

Well I have found where Â£17m has gone and been spent on:

clicky linky

Stilts

**Particle_man** · 10-10-2009, 15:25

Originally Posted by thetigger

Me thinks that we could all be missing the point....here is my take on it:

Treasury wants to kill off TA>cannot do it head on during a war>stop TA training for 6 months>no one turns up again in 2010>Treasury says TA no longer viable>closes TA>sells off drill halls>pockets the cash>leaves Regular Units to recruit the "volunteers" they need to make up numbers for operational tours....or am I being too cynical....

Hope I am, but fear I am not....

I never used to go for such cynical 'conspiracy' theories but since WMD fiasco, MPs expense cover ups I'm inclined to agree with you on this one.

Another possible factor is the resurgence in regular recruits mirroring the rise in unemployment means there is less of a need to back fill with TA.

I am still stunned by the decision though...Â£20m is nothing compared to other civil service budgets...

**theprior** · 10-10-2009, 15:26

Cdo-Engr,

I have but a fraction of your 23 years, but please do wait out for official guidance and it's ramifications. Sub-unit commanders don't want to lose their troops-certainly not those with the experience you suggest. If the TA has any hope of recovering from a 6 month hiatus then it should have it's most experienced troops there!