- 23-04-2013, 05:47 #1
- Join Date
- May 2006
Of interest to the under 18's (& over 50's!)
As a former junior leader @IJLB Shorncliffe I hope this isn't taken too seriously by MOD:
BBC News - Army recruitment at 16 'should stop'
Last edited by fingers_1661; 23-04-2013 at 05:54.
- 23-04-2013, 05:57 #2
- 23-04-2013, 06:47 #3
In two minds about this. On one hand I agree with Ashford Old School on his point and also think that at 16/17 a lot (not all, before someone jumps down my throat) of kids don't really know what they want and joining the Army can seem really glamorous (to be fair, I know a 22 year old who joined the Army because of that and is now regretting it). Desperation to get away from a bad home life can also play a part and some parents can be just as desperate to get rid of their child, hence getting the requisite parental consent, and sometimes parental coercion/bullying a child to join up. I've known many a lad join because "It's what his father did and he wants me to follow in his footsteps/it's family tradition" - almost akin to Catholic families giving up one son to the priesthood!
On the other hand, it can be a very good thing, precisely for one of the arguments against. If it gives a young one an escape from a bad home life, surely that's a good thing? Apprenticeships teaching a good trade where you know you're not going to get binned off a week before you qualify because the gaffer doesn't want to pay more than apprentice wages give lads (and lasses) a better working start and chance in life than they'd possibly get elsewhere.
Perhaps one answer would be to modify the apprenticeship programme. Kids can go to the apprentice colleges but on a similar basis to the way the Forces sponsor university students. They attend residentially, but as civvies, potential recruits, if you will. Give them a uniform but no military training until they are 17 1/2. Attendance at the college is free on the understanding that following passing the course they commit to either 3 years service or repay the course fees.New and improved!
- 23-04-2013, 06:53 #4
- Join Date
- May 2007
I went in at 16,I have to blame something/somebody on the end result.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Tanks are easily identified, easily engaged, much-feared targets which attract all the fire on the battlefield. When all is said and done, a tank is a small steel box crammed with inflammable or explosive substances which is easily converted into a mobile crematorium for its highly skilled crew."
- Brigadier Shelford Bidwell
- 23-04-2013, 07:42 #5
I joined at 16 and did 12 weeks basic, not junior entry to Arborfield.
It's a stupid idea thought up by people who can't tell the difference between a 'child soldier' joining the British Army and some ten year old being forced to machete his own family to death in the Congo.
- 23-04-2013, 08:40 #6
Let's face it, by the very nature of this site, we aren't going to hear many say "I joined at 16, I didn't have a clue what I was getting myself into and I hated every minute of it", are we?New and improved!
- 23-04-2013, 08:47 #7
- Join Date
- Sep 2010
- At the join of 4 map sheets
The report comes out every year; you'll find multiple threads on it on Arrse. My views:
The scheme is one of the last channels of social mobility for bright and reasonably fit youngsters from all strata of society. The tricky bit for the staff is balancing the military angle with the duty of care in loco parentis. They generally get this right.
The drop-out rate is fairly high, so it's expensive, but the ones that do pass out, tend to serve longer and get promoted more quickly, so the whole-life cost-benefit equation is more nuanced. On balance, I think it's a good thing for the individuals, the Army and society in the round.It was like that when I got here.
If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined.
- 23-04-2013, 08:49 #8
I've always opposed the army taking on under 18s. Mainly because they're clueless little gobshites when they get to RD.Grace, space, pace.
- 23-04-2013, 08:49 #9
Just read this on Al JaBeeba site... And it put my grumpy git head on...
Sod it hidden agenda, let's cut the crap... These"campaigners" are probably - on every issue- anti miltary and it's just another line of attack.
(stomps off demanding where coffee is)Do UAVs dream of cybernetic soldiers?
‘it takes the Navy three years to build a new ship …(hah!) it will take 300 years to build a new tradition’
Dreaming of a world where a chap can slip into cravat, sports jacket, slacks and brogues, lean against the bar with a pint of mild, shove a plug of rough shag into the old briar and still make it to the orgy.
- 23-04-2013, 09:00 #10
Fuck Em, useless no mark no clue left wing do-gooding yoghurt knitters. One of the best summers of my life was 83 intake at AAC Harrogate. I'd do it again in a flash.
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