ARmy Rumour SErvice

**the_butler** · 15-07-2012, 23:46

I just wanted this to reach a wider audience. I have met this soldier and his family and they are good people who have been dealt a bad hand. At the time he was LAD att HCR.
It seems if you have been on CO's orders for being naughty it can now be equated to a criminal conviction.

Please read the quoted details below and if you feel he has had a rum deal, sign the petition.

Sign here

Petition Background (Preamble):

Isimeli Baleiwai known as 'Bale' to his friends is facing deportation from the UK after serving 13 years with the British Armed Forces. Bale is a foreign and commonwealth soldier from Fiji who was recruited by the MOD when he was 18. He has served in 5 operational tours including Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan. His wife Kim is British and they have two young children a boy of 3 and a girl of 6; both British. Bale voluntarily discharged from the Armed Forces on June 15th 2012 in order to provide stability for his family.

Under changes made to the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1973(ROA) in 2010 disciplinary offences dealt with at the Commanding Officer's discretion can now be equated to a criminal conviction.
Bale was fined in 2011 by his Commanding Officer for fighting with another soldier who instigated the fight. There was no police involvement, no trail, no defence and nor was it impartial. Bale did not know he was being charged with a criminal conviction. He believed this was an 'in-house' disciplinary offence only. He has no criminal record, this offence is only on his military record. There was no court martial. He has now appealed the conviction.
Under the changes made to ROA in 2010 Bale is now defined as a criminal by the Home Office and of not good character to become a British citizen or apply for indefinite leave to remain.
This is devastating for him and his family. It is a breach of Article 6 of the Human Rights Act (199

and Armed Forces Covenant (2011). It is also inherently racist because the changes made will have no impact on his British Armed Forces colleagues because these military offences are not held on a criminal record. This change only has implications to immigration Law and Policy.

Please show your support for Bale and his family, their lives are in turmoil. Bale has been told he has until the 9th August 2012 to leave the Country.
The Home Office has been using this 'Law' to deport Foreign and Commonwealth soldiers who have been medically discharged as well. This is a disgrace and immoral!!!!

Thanks

**DeadHorse** · 16-07-2012, 00:49

Signed

**DAKOTA_STAB** · 16-07-2012, 02:04

I think the original OP's point was that he was charged under the military system by his commanding officer, thus a military affair and not a criminal offence per se as no civilian proceedings were brought against him, he was involved, so no need to take it to court marshall. Fine from the old man taken on the chin, end of story.

However under these new rules, it is now disclosed as an offence, thus making him a criminal in certain eyes.

I read about this recently under the disclosure rules, something i need for my job and thought i had read it wrong, it seems not.

so the question is why if no criminal proceedings are bought, under civilian law, then why is this included as a criminal offence?

**Cabana** · 16-07-2012, 02:18

What is "inherently racist" about this? Why bring racism into something that is clearly not? Playing the race card will lose support and has definatly lost any support that I may have had for this.

Sorry, (well not sorry) not signed due the race card being played.

**Bushmills** · 16-07-2012, 04:59

Originally Posted by the_butler

I just wanted this to reach a wider audience. I have met this soldier and his family and they are good people who have been dealt a bad hand. At the time he was LAD att HCR.
It seems if you have been on CO's orders for being naughty it can now be equated to a criminal conviction.

Please read the quoted details below and if you feel he has had a rum deal, sign the petition.

Sign here

Thanks

Will sign the petition by all means.

What else is being done to help him and his family?

Can he appeal against CO's findings on the grounds that he was not aware that this finding would have these consequences?

PS CO's orders have always meant a conviction as A CO is classified as a "magistrate" under some act or other. A lot of ex army lads have to declare ND's when they apply to join the screws or the coppers.

**albert-turner** · 16-07-2012, 05:40

Originally Posted by Cabana

What is "inherently racist" about this? Why bring racism into something that is clearly not? Playing the race card will lose support and has definatly lost any support that I may have had for this.

Sorry, (well not sorry) not signed due the race card being played.

'ooooh he's lost my support....oooh me me everybody look at me'

Get over yourself plankton-head.

Admittedly they could have used a better approach but the bloke's done 13 years and 5 operational tours more than other fucking immigrant low-lifes who get to stay and fleece the UK taxpayer.

He's just an easy target for some bureaucratic wanker with a quota to fill.

**PapaGolf** · 16-07-2012, 06:03

To quote Al Murray "Rules is rules, without them where would we be? Thats right, France!"
If the original charge is now classed as a civil offence, then can he not appeal against the CO's decision in retrospect, because the guy was denied legal representation in his defence?

**Cabana** · 16-07-2012, 06:10

Originally Posted by albert-turner

'ooooh he's lost my support....oooh me me everybody look at me'

Get over yourself plankton-head.

Admittedly they could have used a better approach but the bloke's done 13 years and 5 operational tours more than other fucking immigrant low-lifes who get to stay and fleece the UK taxpayer.

He's just an easy target for some bureaucratic wanker with a quota to fill.

Take your head for a wobble. The guy is asking for support here (whether it is the actual bloke or not), and I responded saying I won't give that support due to the race card being played. How is that "me me everybody look at me"? Did you ever leave the playground?

**sebcoe** · 16-07-2012, 07:25

Originally Posted by Cabana

Take your head for a wobble. The guy is asking for support here (whether it is the actual bloke or not), and I responded saying I won't give that support due to the race card being played. How is that "me me everybody look at me"? Did you ever leave the playground?

So Ex Tom (commonwealth soldier), has a bit of a fight.....who hasnt = deportation

Refugee Lightbulb head rapes a 12 year old = a "welcome to stay" in the UK

Someting seriously wrong with the system!!