Not strictly relevant,just a gentle reminder 11H won CAT in '65 on Cents.An example of target aquisition times etc. Hesh Ranging Mover,4 rounds fired,1 hesh,3 sabot,start to finish 9 secs.I'm still in touch with commander that day,got a pic somewhere of team if anyone is interested.

Originally Posted by brownhat

Not strictly relevant,just a gentle reminder 11H won CAT in '65 on Cents.An example of target aquisition times etc. Hesh Ranging Mover,4 rounds fired,1 hesh,3 sabot,start to finish 9 secs.I'm still in touch with commander that day,got a pic somewhere of team if anyone is interested.

Yep I may even know some of them.

Originally Posted by brownhat

Not strictly relevant,just a gentle reminder 11H won CAT in '65 on Cents.An example of target aquisition times etc. Hesh Ranging Mover,4 rounds fired,1 hesh,3 sabot,start to finish 9 secs.I'm still in touch with commander that day,got a pic somewhere of team if anyone is interested.

If you look on wikipedia and other CAT googlie bits, we did very well in 60's. Last win was 1970 (on CH, only three teams entered that year). The rules evolved in the 70's and 80's to be ever more non-combat related, to the extent that for us the competition really had no relevance. But not being in it was seen as a bit of a failure and admission of non-competetive platform by the ones who had done so well in the 60's.

My paper, written in early 90's was attacked heavily by some of the Cavalry Colonels but we saw little point in entering something we had no chance of winning, even on the much improved block 3 CH1.

Originally Posted by brownhat

Not strictly relevant,just a gentle reminder 11H won CAT in '65 on Cents.An example of target aquisition times etc. Hesh Ranging Mover,4 rounds fired,1 hesh,3 sabot,start to finish 9 secs.I'm still in touch with commander that day,got a pic somewhere of team if anyone is interested.

Beat me to it mate. Just looked it up in the journal. Who was on top, Sir David or Les?

Originally Posted by StumpyHussar

I can't reply with quotes but thanks for the replies. I've tried to PM Crimsonhussar after he outed me the swine, hope it works. CAT cup was always a very silly competition I completely agree. We were always going to be on the back foot with split case ammo dont know if anyone else has tried to explain it to a civvie, they can't grasp it.

The Spams took the cup very seriously I remember seeing the Abrahams driving round the Hohne range road with big boards saying exactly what they were 2 years before the competition was held there. The rules were a Sqn was taken out of the line and plonked on a range that they didn't know. We cheated by stuffing the Sqn with gunnery instructors made no difference in the end as we were taken to the cleaners

Yeah, CAT was allway fun...full time US crews that rehearsed the ranges for a year getting a spanking from our conscript crews

Les was commander,Jerry,Scouse Shearer loader,we were the first to fire.

I'll put that pic up with names soonest.

Originally Posted by Ronin(GE)

Yeah, CAT was allway fun...full time US crews that rehearsed the ranges for a year getting a spanking from our conscript crews

From memory the Bundeswher did much the same as the US they may have been conscript but had been selected at the start of their service and trained specifically for the CAT, priority range time and equipment.

Originally Posted by 06FA56Paderborn

From memory the Bundeswher did much the same as the US they may have been conscript but had been selected at the start of their service and trained specifically for the CAT, priority range time and equipment.

1981 competition the Bundeswher team had all been together for over 6 months prior,they attended the opening ceremony and then disappeared until competition day, no fraternisation was permitted with the other teams, met up with one of their instructors a year or so later at Castle Martin, he reckoned that the brit's and canucks would have been a " bad influence " on them if allowed to mix socially, whatever gave him that idea?

Never did CAT but was part of a couple of demo shoots in '87 or '88 comparing CR1, Abrams and Leo II. It was at a time when MOD was trying to decide whether to import the next MBT or stay with the status quo (politically was there ever an option?). Anyhow long story short I gunned the Leo II in both demos, what a fantastic system, I had a weeks conversion down in Celle and then wiped the floor with CR 1 and Abrams. Last shoot we engaged 10 targets including 4 whlist moving and had ten hits, all in 74 seconds from start to finish. Probably helped that the rest of the crew were from the Kampftruppenschule 2 up at Munster Ortze.