Our rear ops group (rear party) are covering ours. No doubt people will return to find kit missing thanks to one of the many master keys knocking around.


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From an old version of JSP 760:

RECALL FROM ANNUAL LEAVE
1.007 Service personnel should be recalled from Annual Leave only for the
most compelling reasons. For example, it might be necessary to recall members
of the Armed Forces on Annual Leave in the event of heightened tension or an
emergency. Annual Leave may be resumed at the discretion of COs. Any
periods of cancelled Annual Leave will be credited to the Service person’s
Annual Leave Allowance.

From an old version of JSP 752:

04.0115. Recall From Leave. Service personnel may be recalled to duty during a period of leave only for the most compelling reasons which could not have been foreseen before their departure. Reasonable extra and necessary expenses incurred by Service personnel in complying with orders for recall from a period of leave can be refunded. Travel to resume the leave may also be at public expense but is subject to the following:

a. Stationed in the UK. Duty travel to resume the leave is not permissible to a place beyond that from which the Service person was recalled. Travel expenses incurred as a result of any travel outside the UK to resume leave are not to be refunded.

b. Stationed Overseas. Service personnel stationed overseas who are recalled from local leave may be allowed to travel at public expense to resume leave, provided that the unexpired period of leave exceeds 3 days and cannot reasonably be added to the next period of leave. Service personnel stationed overseas who are recalled from leave in the UK or beyond their local overseas area may not return to their leave location at public expense for the unexpired leave period.

Where a return to the leave address at public expense is not authorised, a claim for the curtailed holiday may be admissible as Nugatory Holiday Expenditure (see Chapter 10 Section 9).

PW (Sad individual!!)

So there you have it:

A guard bod not turning up does not in my book as per PW's post, count as a 'most compelling reason' nor mark up as 'heightened tension' or 'emergency'.

What it does suggest to me is that this bod has either made himself memorable to his SSM and thus a target for such a dicking or is known to be a pushover on this sort of stuff. Or purely bad luck.

However, it appears from this -old- information that you may still be entitled to travel claims. Keep all receipts.

As for the random post about people living in houses, the simple and obvious answer as to why people that are MLO do less duties (Insofar as it's a random guess that they do) is that because most people who are MLO are probably an NCO somewhere on the chain and thus they do less duties anyway (Three or four Privates a day with one LCpl and one Cpl) and also, more importantly, have families to go back to.

Until you get yourself out of the block you will always be the first port of call for any dickings unless you live on the top floor and no-one can be arsed walking to your room to find you.
Also, if you're in camp on Christmas and New Year then really, get on guard if you can't find anywhere better to be and have no compelling reason to still be on camp other than "Can't be arsed going home".

On which note, the LAD people that refused to give over their phone numbers, well, that's just downright childish and pathetic. Ignoring the fact that those numbers are probably on Call Back lists on the camp somewhere anyway, as well as JPA, the simple rule is: You must be contactable. Also, for those that ignore an 'Unknown Number' , it might seem like a funny thing to do and get you off a spamming, but as I've done in the past, when you try to phone someone, sometimes it's for their own benefit or you might be creating real problems and seriously fucking things over, and someone else.

Says the man who's just spent the last hour trying to phone someone about their guard tomorrow and who looks like he's going to fuck me and the rest of my boys over.

"Welcome to Orange answerphone" my arrse...

/rant

Moral of the story .... Never answer a withheld number or a number that's not saved to your contacts list ...... Think of the cash you'll save as New years a crap night any how's .

Originally Posted by Surfer_Smithy

I've been on leave since the second week of December, got call from camp today (shouldn't have picked up i know) saying that due to illness one guy can't do guard on the 29th of December and that the SSM has spammed me for it. Now i'm not at my home address for Christmas which means it's going to be a 500 odd mile round trip for me to get to camp and back effectively loosing 3 days of leave due to travel and the actual duty of which i was wondering can i claim for the 2 days back (8am 29th -8am 30th) ill be doing along with the petrol or am i only going to get one day back, i already get GYH for the property me and the miss' share if that makes a difference.

Surfer Smithy. Is it possible that someone is winding you up?

Could someone be playing a prank on you?

I suggest that you phone back to your unit and ask for confirmation of your recall.

Originally Posted by Westpoint

Surfer Smithy. Is it possible that someone is winding you up?

Could someone be playing a prank on you?

I suggest that you phone back to your unit and ask for confirmation of your recall.

Good point that man. We circulate a note on SO's stating the designated 'Call Back' people. So if you don't get a phonecall from 'x' people, then ignore what anyone else tells you.

However, if it's his SSM and he knows it is, that's one hell of a bored and funny SSM. :D

So it could be a scam? A practical joke?

It might be worthwhile making a call back and asking if the bloke you are supposed to be replacing is still sick and at the same time mentioning that you you are in British West Hartlepool and not local to your base.

Just as an aside, about 5 years ago I helped a Russian mate of mine, who is a veterinary surgeon, get British nationality.

As soon as he had his shiny new red passport in his hands I sent him a letter (very well done forgery) from Lt. Col Pilkington-Smythe, MOD (Army) advising him that all new citizens must attend two years compulsory military service in either the Catering Corps, or the Royal Engineers battlefield illumination squadron (carbon arc searchlights).

Him being a Russian and having done 2 years conscription in the Soviet army as a medic already, I had to step in smartish after 48 hours and stop him from drinking himself to death. Boy, was he pissed off.

Originally Posted by MrBane

Put your case forward in a reasonable manner, but to be fair, as soon as you were told what the situationw was you should have said: "I'm 500 miles away..... Find someone else." and stuck to your guns.

Whatever happened to pinging the first guy to come through the Guardroom?

"Morning mate, off anywhere nice?"
"Yeah actually."
"Not any more you're not."
"Fuck."

That's why for 30 minutes after every Guard Mount, no-one would dare leave camp in case someone hadn't turned up and they got spammed.

First thing i said was that i was not close to camp but the sgt just said oh well you have a car.

Originally Posted by Dread

There must be a lot more to this than the original poster is letting on.

Either the SSM is a complete cunt, or the OP is in the naughty book and this is him being made to pay his dues.


I'm guessing the latter.

It would also be very amusing if the SSM reads this thread: if any of the details are correct, then it will be easy for him to break the OP's OPSEC.

Nope i ain't been up in front of the SSM and i ain't been in the naughty book, i'm not long at Reg as you can probably notice, it might be that i do just knuckle under and not complain when i get handed shit jobs but it does seem our sqn gets all the shit jobs for some reason, i'll give my trp sgt a txt to mske sure it ain't a wind up but tbh not many people have my mob number at regt.

Originally Posted by danny842003

Theres a simple answer to this problem people get cheap houses every month get to go home every night and should get pinged for stupid things like this, as somebody who lives up the line ends up loosing a lot more of there leave than someone who can spit from there front door to the guardroom. Im just glad we have MPGS.

Welcome to earth - what's the weather like on your planet?

Originally Posted by MrBane

So there you have it:

A guard bod not turning up does not in my book as per PW's post, count as a 'most compelling reason' nor mark up as 'heightened tension' or 'emergency'.

What it does suggest to me is that this bod has either made himself memorable to his SSM and thus a target for such a dicking or is known to be a pushover on this sort of stuff. Or purely bad luck.

However, it appears from this -old- information that you may still be entitled to travel claims. Keep all receipts.

As for the random post about people living in houses, the simple and obvious answer as to why people that are MLO do less duties (Insofar as it's a random guess that they do) is that because most people who are MLO are probably an NCO somewhere on the chain and thus they do less duties anyway (Three or four Privates a day with one LCpl and one Cpl) and also, more importantly, have families to go back to.

Until you get yourself out of the block you will always be the first port of call for any dickings unless you live on the top floor and no-one can be arsed walking to your room to find you.
Also, if you're in camp on Christmas and New Year then really, get on guard if you can't find anywhere better to be and have no compelling reason to still be on camp other than "Can't be arsed going home".

On which note, the LAD people that refused to give over their phone numbers, well, that's just downright childish and pathetic. Ignoring the fact that those numbers are probably on Call Back lists on the camp somewhere anyway, as well as JPA, the simple rule is: You must be contactable. Also, for those that ignore an 'Unknown Number' , it might seem like a funny thing to do and get you off a spamming, but as I've done in the past, when you try to phone someone, sometimes it's for their own benefit or you might be creating real problems and seriously fucking things over, and someone else.

Says the man who's just spent the last hour trying to phone someone about their guard tomorrow and who looks like he's going to fuck me and the rest of my boys over.

"Welcome to Orange answerphone" my arrse...

/rant

If you are on leave then surely you need to have to be put back on duty and taken off leave by your unit (JPA Form 010?) for service reasons entitling you to some sort of travelly type claim.

Our call back list was a complete shambles - the guard rota ain't too clever either to be fair! Unluckily for us we live above the guardroom; it used to be a case of when someone can't be arsed to tip up for duty "Pop upstairs and grab one of the REME singlies!" This did cause some rather good alcohol fuelled arguments at stupid o'clock on drunken Saturday mornings as to why a single REME from * Coy was being jiffed to cover a duty for an Inf pad from % Coy. Didn't help when your own REME SNCOs were doing the dickings too

Originally Posted by Glasgow_Jock

All our guys doing "holiday duties" are split in to 2 groups; xmas group & new year group, each group covering from x to x dates. Everyone in said group has to turn up at the guard room at 8am in case a person doesn't turn up for duty. If they turn up then bonus, you've got a buckshee day off on top of the 2 weeks before and after your duty group dates. Most bods for duties supplied by pads as most of us stay in Germany for the holidays anyway, letting the singlies cut away back to the UK.

Seems a bit fairer to me.

Seems a good option...

Chuck an extra 'percentage' on for sickies and odd jobs and the lads get buckshee time off too. I've often found 'holiday duties' can be filled swiftly with a good incentive. ie don't try to stiff the lads by enforcing when they will take the leave that they haven't had.