Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

The system as is, is good enough. If your food is not up to standard, don't buy it or raise a complaint. Until the service gets better.

Simples.

Not really as simple as that. If you turn up at the on camp PAYD facilities and the food is crap, yes you can complain, and I do. I'm told to 'write it in the book', which I do. Funny old thing, the book seems to be 'new' quite often and doesn't have my previous entries, so they like to fork out for a new one regularly or the cynical side of me thinks it may just regularly 'disappear'. Either way nothing seems to get done. Now that it's civvy run there seems to no longer be an Orderly Sgt/Officer hovering around the hotplate or asking if there are any complaints. Another avenue to point out how crap the service is well and truly closed.

Also, by the time you get in the queue and find out they have very little but the one choice that is really bad and nobody wants; they have you by the short and curlies. Eat the crap that's there, go and buy the overpriced snack food from the shop owned by the same firm, or not eat at all. Acceptable?

Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

PS. People wanted this system and b1tched about paying for meals they didn't take, this is the result. People got what they asked for.

This is a bit of a misnomer. The ones who used to whinge about paying for food they didn't eat were the 'older' living in Full Screws and ex-pads. They not only had all the kit in their bunk to make their own food, they were also the ones who were generally the livers in with the loudest voices on the 'Messing Committee'.

The younger lads didn't even know what the 'Messing Committee' was, didn't care and were quite happy to have a cheap safety net of paying 'Food & Accom' and being able to wander in to the cookhouse and have three meals a day no matter what the state of their finances.

Just because the loudest voices were listened to, doesn't mean that ALL the people wanted this system. Even if they did, I can almost guarantee you that they wouldn't have wanted it implemented the way it is.

At both units I have had the priviledge to be a SNCO at, the ROS has been in the cookhouse just as they have always been. And I have taken complaints in, and fed them (get it :D ) in to the system to the RSM, RCWO as neccesary. Certainly at my former unit, pretty much every SNCO ate in the cookhouse anyway, as the Mess was about 5 miles away and on a different cam!!!!!

My experience of those shouting the loudest differs to. IME it was actually the young scroats whining that they were going home at the weekend, and couldn't be arrsed to get out of bed for breakfast that wanted rid of the old system. The older blokes seem perfectly happy with eating in the cookhouse, and paying for the odd meal missed. This was in UK, it might have been different in BFG, for example.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by hottottie

Duh - it would be free to those eating and the MOD would pick up the cost.

Duh - so it actual fact its not free. The MOD would have to pay for it meaning they take money from somewhere else.

Double duh - can you read ? free to the singlie - YES the MoD would have to take the money from elsewhere - like waste & abuse

Originally Posted by hottottie

Who do you think pays for the people at the PAYD checkpout, and the utilities to cook the slop ?

The PAYD companies?

No, their cost is absorbed into the contract - any profit that is made on food is negated by the staff wages, the utilities (the MOD pay for all thefuel, lighting ewater - just like we use to when the ACC ran the cookhoues) - we ALSO pay for any improvements/repairs & infrastructure costs to set up our average NSS 'JB's'

Originally Posted by hottottie

Why do you think your cookhouse suddenly is full of gaming machines ?.

Because squaddies like to gamble

No, soldiers dp gamble but no more than other members of society. You don't get McD's or BK covered with them - NSS get the income from these which make their opration apparently viable. We just hve a reduced income to teh Battalion and FAR more soldiers wth financial problems.

Originally Posted by hottottie

£4 a day not too much to include in th pay and conditions of single soldiers.

Yeah cos I want to take a 1460 quid a year pay cut to afford it. Where do you think the money is going to come from?

I am not asking ou to take a pay cut - if you are a singlie then just provde the scoff for free (it is a tiny sum per day far outweighed by the staff & admin costs in recovering it. Geed recruiting tool too - if we can feed EVERYONE free on Ex whyy can't we feed singlies in camp (if they want to eat the slop ?)

Originally Posted by hottottie

If you want a cost neutral saving then cut out the inter service skiing championships visited by the senior (non-participant) officers from across th world who attend to'cheer on the team' .

What has that got to do with PAYD?

Originally Posted by hottottie

I know we could ALL come up with hundreds of ways to save the MOD money too - unlike the US Army we have no website or means to alert the COC to 'abuse, fraud or waste' - an internal website would pay for itself in one hour !

Try Armynet it might be shit but it has 200000 members so if you have a brilliant suggestions like finding nearly a grand and half for every single soldier you can post it there.

? Army net it is a self-licking lollypop, WTF reads that in the press or Govt ? Cut money -here are a few which would pay for free food at a stroke - , no domestic assistance for officers (drivers, staff cars, chefs, gardeners) - there you go, free food for singlies (and OI am not one)paid for cost neutral at a stroke and with cash to spare.

Stack on Stacker - you are part of the problem

Originally Posted by hottottie

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by hottottie

Duh - it would be free to those eating and the MOD would pick up the cost.

Duh - so it actual fact its not free. The MOD would have to pay for it meaning they take money from somewhere else.

Double duh - can you read ? free to the singlie - YES the MoD would have to take the money from elsewhere - like waste & abuse

Originally Posted by hottottie

Who do you think pays for the people at the PAYD checkpout, and the utilities to cook the slop ?

The PAYD companies?

No, their cost is absorbed into the contract - any profit that is made on food is negated by the staff wages, the utilities (the MOD pay for all thefuel, lighting ewater - just like we use to when the ACC ran the cookhoues) - we ALSO pay for any improvements/repairs & infrastructure costs to set up our average NSS 'JB's'

Originally Posted by hottottie

Why do you think your cookhouse suddenly is full of gaming machines ?.

Because squaddies like to gamble

No, soldiers dp gamble but no more than other members of society. You don't get McD's or BK covered with them - NSS get the income from these which make their opration apparently viable. We just hve a reduced income to teh Battalion and FAR more soldiers wth financial problems.

Originally Posted by hottottie

£4 a day not too much to include in th pay and conditions of single soldiers.

Yeah cos I want to take a 1460 quid a year pay cut to afford it. Where do you think the money is going to come from?

I am not asking ou to take a pay cut - if you are a singlie then just provde the scoff for free (it is a tiny sum per day far outweighed by the staff & admin costs in recovering it. Geed recruiting tool too - if we can feed EVERYONE free on Ex whyy can't we feed singlies in camp (if they want to eat the slop ?)

Originally Posted by hottottie

If you want a cost neutral saving then cut out the inter service skiing championships visited by the senior (non-participant) officers from across th world who attend to'cheer on the team' .

What has that got to do with PAYD?

Originally Posted by hottottie

I know we could ALL come up with hundreds of ways to save the MOD money too - unlike the US Army we have no website or means to alert the COC to 'abuse, fraud or waste' - an internal website would pay for itself in one hour !

Try Armynet it might be shit but it has 200000 members so if you have a brilliant suggestions like finding nearly a grand and half for every single soldier you can post it there.

? Army net it is a self-licking lollypop, WTF reads that in the press or Govt ? Cut money -here are a few which would pay for free food at a stroke - , no domestic assistance for officers (drivers, staff cars, chefs, gardeners) - there you go, free food for singlies (and OI am not one)paid for cost neutral at a stroke and with cash to spare.

Stack on Stacker - you are part of the problem

Your words make my eyes bleed, can I have that in English please, without having to see your avatar that is of a bird's top lumps that you nicked from Prae?

Or is that too much to ask?

Be a mate.

??

I am on a train in Germany so comms are diffiicult.

Say again in English - Over

No you are part of the problem, free to singlies my arse. The money will have to come from somewhere you might think it will come from cutting waste but it will actually come from increase rents or an invisible pay cut.
If their is 1460 quid per singlie knocking around a year I rather have it added to my wages than being forced to eat my 4 quids a day in the cookhouse.
People are generally fed for free on exercise because they are working away from their usual area and cant get food any other way.
My CO is the only person in my regiment with a staff car and driver, not sure if he has a gardener, he doesnt have a chef so I presume your anger is directed at the very senior officer ranks. Who have perks like their civvie counterparts, if they didnt have these perks they would either get a pay rise (so thats the money saving gone straight away) or they will piss off to civvie street.
One of my friends works for freight rail company she gets a company car (Plus reasonable fuel costs) and the internet paid for. She earns 30k a year which is about the same as a sgt on the lower pay band yet the British army doesn't hand out cars until you hit the Lt-Col rank.
If your soldiers are such bell-ends to gamble and get into financial trouble that is their problem not PAYD I suppose the NAAFI bars have never had a fruity in them?
You asked for an internal website I suggested armynet why not put up your complaints (and amusing solutions) to 200000 members. But now you don't think thats good enough?

Originally Posted by stacker1

No you are part of the problem, free to singlies my arse. The money will have to come from somewhere you might think it will come from cutting waste but it will actually come from increase rents or an invisible pay cut.
If their is 1460 quid per singlie knocking around a year I rather have it added to my wages than being forced to eat my 4 quids a day in the cookhouse.
People are generally fed for free on exercise because they are working away from their usual area and cant get food any other way.
My CO is the only person in my regiment with a staff car and driver, not sure if he has a gardener, he doesnt have a chef so I presume your anger is directed at the very senior officer ranks. Who have perks like their civvie counterparts, if they didnt have these perks they would either get a pay rise (so thats the money saving gone straight away) or they will piss off to civvie street.
One of my friends works for freight rail company she gets a company car (Plus reasonable fuel costs) and the internet paid for. She earns 30k a year which is about the same as a sgt on the lower pay band yet the British army doesn't hand out cars until you hit the Lt-Col rank.
If your soldiers are such bell-ends to gamble and get into financial trouble that is their problem not PAYD I suppose the NAAFI bars have never had a fruity in them?
You asked for an internal website I suggested armynet why not put up your complaints (and amusing solutions) to 200000 members. But now you don't think thats good enough?

Ahoy, cheesetits,I concur. Don't shout at me.

On a train to Germany? My fucking big fat arrse.

Stacker – if I do not charge singlies for the slop then they do not have to pay anything themselves. That means FREE to them, not to the MOD – I haven’t said that it should be free to them – they SHOULD fund it (and why not).

Mate, people don’t actually get ‘food any other way’ overseas than NSS if they live in barracks where the NSS/JBs operate – they have a monopoly and closed down all other business. If I lived in I would have to drive 8 miles to get a meal off camp from anyone other than NSS, I used to have options but they went under PAYD.

I am not angry at the perks of senior officers I am merely pointing out that there are massive savings that could be made within our system but they will not be made because there is no objective forum for debate – you tell your CO that his wife should be doing the cleaning in the house rather than someone provided at taxpayers expense, or that we can givehim a car for duty use but we cann save £25k on his driver, (and Majors in independent units get this too).

My soldiers are not bell-ends but why put temptation in their way or that of their families & children ? If they go into a NAAFI bar and want to play a machine so be it – if they go for scoff then they do not need them. Not sure where you eat outside the cookhouse but I see no other commercial food retail suppliers so reliant on gambling.

Do you work for NAAFI or are u looking for a job with them ?

As for alternatives, forget Army Net – who do you think controls that and how objective or receptive will that be of waste ? Take a lesson from the Yanks and do it independently – saves millions.

I am on a train in Bavaria going Adv Trg and I don’t give a s**t about anything for the next 2 weeks so Stack on.

Originally Posted by hottottie

Stacker – if I do not charge singlies for the slop then they do not have to pay anything themselves. That means FREE to them, not to the MOD – I haven’t said that it should be free to them – they SHOULD fund it (and why not).

Mate, people don’t actually get ‘food any other way’ overseas than NSS if they live in barracks where the NSS/JBs operate – they have a monopoly and closed down all other business. If I lived in I would have to drive 8 miles to get a meal off camp from anyone other than NSS, I used to have options but they went under PAYD.

I am not angry at the perks of senior officers I am merely pointing out that there are massive savings that could be made within our system but they will not be made because there is no objective forum for debate – you tell your CO that his wife should be doing the cleaning in the house rather than someone provided at taxpayers expense, or that we can givehim a car for duty use but we cann save £25k on his driver, (and Majors in independent units get this too).

My soldiers are not bell-ends but why put temptation in their way or that of their families & children ? If they go into a NAAFI bar and want to play a machine so be it – if they go for scoff then they do not need them. Not sure where you eat outside the cookhouse but I see no other commercial food retail suppliers so reliant on gambling.

Do you work for NAAFI or are u looking for a job with them ?

As for alternatives, forget Army Net – who do you think controls that and how objective or receptive will that be of waste ? Take a lesson from the Yanks and do it independently – saves millions.

I am on a train in Bavaria going Adv Trg and I don’t give a s**t about anything for the next 2 weeks so Stack on.

Ace-amondo, nick me something, or get me something webbo xx

On a train to Germany? My fucking big fat arrse.[/quote]

what a disgusting thought, I hope your shell covers most of it, somehow I doubt it.

I'm on ICE from Herford pulling into Munich in 10 minutes, l have a weizzenbeir and it is f*****g LOVELY ! In 12 hours I will be on the piste so enjoy life in whateer sad badlands you & stacker inhabit - UK ?

Prost !