I know in the sqn bar i ran it was decreed from above no more than 13% profit allowed

but now with PAYD it does seem to affect everything

The way I remember it when I ran a few sqn bars, was if there is any profit over and above input and output, then it gets given to the barman. Or have things changed?

Originally Posted by Ord_Sgt

The way I remember it when I ran a few sqn bars, was if there is any profit over and above input and output, then it gets given to the barman. Or have things changed?

That would never happen... All barmen are as honest as the day is long (which is why they work night)

I originally meant the profit the bar was officially making, I presume any thats made unofficially is given to the starving in Africa or something.

Having done the bar on numerous occasions, albeit some years ago, my memory seems to recall that profit margins were in those days dictated by Queens Regs, which were 'overseen/enforced' by the CO, but in reality the account holder.

If I remember rightly it was to keep the tax man happy, also to ensure that it remained to be a 'private members club' and not a going concern. I also remember on at least one occasion the prices going down following an audit, which highlighted that the profit margins were too high, which as you would expect was a big morale booster.

Some references (may be out of date now) and guidance from some Unit Operating Procedures I have to hand at home!

CHAP 1 SERVICE (NON-PUBLIC) FUNDS

References:

A. Service Fund Regulations.
B. Pamphlet Disposal of Non-Public Regimental Funds on Disbandment etc. (Code 10911).
C. Queen’s Regulations (QRs).
D. AGAI’s.

STOCK CONTROL

21. Stock Checks. Where a trading account is held a stock check is to be carried out monthly by the FM or a nominated delegate.

22. Pricing. In order to prevent under/over pricing of stock, the Regt Acct is to recommend selling prices for each trading account. Action is to be taken to adjust the selling price at a convenient stage of the account period, normally at the beginning of each month, if required. This constant re-assessment of prices will ensure that the profit margin dictated by the managing trustee is observed.

23. Profit Margin. Trading accounts should aim to achieve an overall percentage profit of between 10 - 15%. Any request to change the estimated profit margin is to be submitted in writing to the Managing Trustee.

1 SQN bar, 1 Div - early 70's.

It is correct that the profit margins are audited with the object of a set percentage.

With drinking being a very popular pastime in BAOR - we had a lot of 'specials' - similar to happy hours but not called as such back then.

It was the conscientious barman who made sure he kept on top of the accounting side so that "alles in ordnung" before the stocktake/audit. Only to save the auditor time of course ...

How can profits be over?

Pre-stock check stock check. Calculate what the RSM expects to see, put the rest in your pocket (think of it as ED pay) and hand the RSM what he's expecting.

Bada bing.

Originally Posted by Drivers_log

How can profits be over?

Pre-stock check stock check. Calculate what the RSM expects to see, put the rest in your pocket (think of it as ED pay) and hand the RSM what he's expecting.

Bada bing.

Never ran a military bar in your life then?

Was this only applied to the selling of drinks and official stock?

Because our barman had an absolute exceptional sideline on the food front in the bar.

Emergency food like microwave pizza's and burgers, but also had a glowy oven thing that he would knock up proper bratties with bread and zenth ( spelling ?) in the traditional boxhead way, and other choice meats.

Come to think of it, this was probally his own money being used for that....either way, a welcome diversion from the utter crap that the cookhouse churned out.

sorry to hear you were in a crap unit,the chefs ,at my unit were the bees knees,in camp ,and on excercise.