Originally Posted by dinosaur_poo

I know of a regular (and respected) Colonel who was somewhat disgruntled when the Comdt of a cadet unit he was working with took a load of shit from 3 private soldiers about kiddy fiddling and his fake plastic commission. Regular Col swaps rank slides and goes round looking for abuse and aptly gets some. Then informs them of his true status and how they've just called a Colonel a kiddy fiddler. 3 pairs of brown trousers, dunno what happened to them but I don't imagine it was much fun.

Excellent! Would love to have been a fly on the wall

Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

Five Adults to 1 Cadet? What activity is that Bukkake?

Five Adults to One Cadet? Sounds like FiveAlpha's sickest fantasy.

Walt of the walts, your thread about 5 - 1 is a bit ott, I am currently serving as a training safety advisor for a cadet unit and ccf schools, The regulations in the pamphlets and documents give you the ratios which apply to Regular and Ta forces also so there is no difference.
I agree there are a few walter mittys when it comes to officers, however they must be paid respect like any other officer as they have a b type commission and many of those officers are ex regular and TA as u are well aware.
however if the comments of the 2 NCo`s are true, which i find hard to believe, as i am a serving warrant officer (Regular) i have never ever came accross an issue like this before, These cadet officers know the script.
Why does 2 NCo`s come on here to grovel about the incident instead of using their chain of command beats me

How did you get that wheaze Matt? I thought TSAs were all FTRS?

I am hoping WotW explaisn why you'd need 5 to 1 supervision, because I am scratching my head on this one.

One adult to supervise the cadet, one to supervise the supervising adult, one to check boots, smock, chest rig, day sack, knee pads etc as being "suitably ally and non-issued" and two to look after the pile of pasties, Haribo, Werthers and booze.

Originally Posted by The_Duke

One adult to supervise the cadet, one to supervise the supervising adult, one to check boots, smock, chest rig, day sack, knee pads etc as being "suitably ally and non-issued" and two to look after the pile of pasties, Haribo, Werthers and booze.

One to be the Groom and the remainder to dress up in a bizarre mish-mash of uniforms, carrying a completely random selection of cutlery....

Returning to the OP's original question, are you likely to ever see the bloke again? If your paths do cross in the future, is he likely to remember you?

If the answer is no to both these questions, which I'm guessing it is, who gives a fuck?

I once received a major bollocking from an Army officer in civvies at Fleet Services on the M3 because I wasn't wearing my cap.

Assessing the likelihood of him tracing my number plate, finding out who I was and it reaching my CoC and coming back to bite me, I decided the best course of action was to ignore the cunt and drive off with a cheeky, 'yeah whatever mate.'

Amazingly nothing else happened regarding this incident.

Originally Posted by The_Duke

One adult to supervise the cadet, one to supervise the supervising adult, one to check boots, smock, chest rig, day sack, knee pads etc as being "suitably ally and non-issued" and two to look after the pile of pasties, Haribo, Werthers and booze.

At last. Someone who knows how its done! I want to work with more like you.

The 5 Cadets to 1 CFAV ratio applies to certain activities (or did) such as mountainous country expeds or rockclimbing. Or something....

Of course some people would turn up for the opening of a packet of crisps because it gives them a chance to put on a uniform and claim a PTD.

Originally Posted by walt_of_the_walts

The 5 Cadets to 1 CFAV ratio applies to certain activities (or did) such as mountainous country expeds or rockclimbing. Or something....

That isn't what you said mate.

The problem is some activities require a high ratio of adult staff to cadets, some high as 5 to 1. then there is the drivers (so few have D1+E these days) The activity first aiders, the safety supervisors, the ARD, the female cover etc.

However, to put your mind at rest, off the top of my head. For the most common quals.

Kayaking and Canoing 1:6 and 1:7 respectively or 1:8 for CI2.

Rock Climbing would be three sets of climbers and belayers or one abseiler (ie a proper abseil) for 1 instructor.

Walking is 1:6.

Ranges need up to 1:1 on the firing point.

Obviouly they are all the highest ratios, you'd cut down as needed.

Originally Posted by dinosaur_poo

Definitive answer:

. Like I said, on cadet activities a regular soldier may teach but a cadet AI must supervise and in doing so, has ultimate authority, but on the grounds of appointment not rank.

Wrong on a number of counts. The only reason to have an AI there would be if the soldier did not have CRB clearance. Regular Soldier with CRB clearance can work with Cadets with no issues at all and no need for any "supervision" from a CFAV. Nothing at all to do with what organisation they work for.