I have been asked to put together sets of uniform accoutrements for a local CCF unit affiliated to our capbadge, but no-one from their contingent commander on down seems to be aware of the definitive rules on what CCF cadets are supposed to wear on No.2 Dress. For example; the cadets wear a sew-on CCF shoulder flash, so do they also wear a our Regt'l epaulette titles and if so, do they need 'CCF' ones also?

Another question raised concerned stable belts. Do they wear the affiliated regt'l one or the CCF one? What about instructors? Would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction, be that via DII/Westminster. I am mindful that the CCF unit does not have a bottomless wallet and, genuinely trying to be helpful, I don't want to start ordering things for them that they don't need.

Thank you in advance.

Or, indeed, RP578, if after the issue of digital to replace 95's, whether cadets will be allowed to wear No2 Dress(or its replacement), either!

Your unit would do well to check with Brigade on the future of other than combats, as current thinking is that Cadet Forces, with the exception of senior officers and a few senior cadets for special occasions, may be instructed combats all the way.

(It will never happen of course, and the initial ruling excluding the wearing of existing kit by CFAVs has already been modified!)

In general terms, and looking at existing variations between CCF's, if your unit keeps a reasonably low profile, and checks it out with your sponsors unit current CO, the odds are that nobody will care or notice,and merely assum it is down to some tradition!

Sky blue AAC beret
Para reg badge with maroon backing
Khaki stone shirts
Royal Blue silk cravat (I kid you not...)
Lightweights. OG
Para reg stable belt
Boots DMS and puttees.

That sartorial abomination, designed by a fascist dictator IYAM, was the parade uniform of Royal Russell School CCF in the late 70s/early 80s.

Offered merely as a comment...and a warning as to what happens when things get out of control

Originally Posted by walt_of_the_walts

Sky blue AAC beret
Para reg badge with maroon backing
Khaki stone shirts
Royal Blue silk cravat (I kid you not...)
Lightweights. OG
Para reg stable belt
Boots DMS and puttees.

That sartorial abomination, designed by a fascist dictator IYAM, was the parade uniform of Royal Russell School CCF in the late 70s/early 80s.

Offered merely as a comment...and a warning as to what happens when things get out of control

Well, yes. This is the sort of thing I'm trying to avoid by finding out the rules. Alas there doesn't seem to be a Cadet version of JSP 336. The CCF staff are happy enough for their kids to wear replicas of our uniform, but with shoulder flashes identifying them as CCF. I just don't want to send the stuff to wear if it's going to set them up for a fall, although to be fair I don't know when they'd actually wear them outside of school.

Just had a thought, would rules for cadets actually be in JSP 336?

Tom_dkg,

What are "digitals"? Are we issuing cadets 1980s wristwatches?

Originally Posted by BedIn

Tom_dkg,

What are "digitals"? Are we issuing cadets 1980s wristwatches?

Little fingers?

Originally Posted by RP578

I have been asked to put together sets of uniform accoutrements for a local CCF unit affiliated to our capbadge, but no-one from their contingent commander on down seems to be aware of the definitive rules on what CCF cadets are supposed to wear on No.2 Dress. For example; the cadets wear a sew-on CCF shoulder flash, so do they also wear a our Regt'l epaulette titles and if so, do they need 'CCF' ones also?

Another question raised concerned stable belts. Do they wear the affiliated regt'l one or the CCF one? What about instructors? Would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction, be that via DII/Westminster. I am mindful that the CCF unit does not have a bottomless wallet and, genuinely trying to be helpful, I don't want to start ordering things for them that they don't need.

Thank you in advance.

The cadets wear exactly the same Number 2 dress as your regiment in every detail with the added curved sew on CCF mudguard thing on their sleeve.

The adults wear exactly the same No 2 dress uniform as your regiment in every detail bar the addition of CCF shoulder titles worn beneath the rank and regimental title which they will already have.

In working dress ,same again no change but regimental rank slides with the added CCF beneath.
NO TRFs or brigade badges..

Cadets wearing stable belts is the contingent commanders call,but mostly this would be cadet sgts and above and adults only .
Its his shout.

Hope this helps...

Originally Posted by BedIn

Tom_dkg,

What are "digitals"? Are we issuing cadets 1980s wristwatches?

I didnlt wish to quote present army issue, as I would not be surprised to see, by the time this is on issue to the CF's, a cheap similar but different pattern!

Unfortunately each CCF will probably have slightly different dress regs and will be down to the Contingent Commander. Generally speaking cadets and cfavs will wear wear all the things that their affiliated regiment/corps wear with the addition of CCF titles and minus TRFs and brigade badges. They will more than likely wear the stable belt of the affiliated regiment/corps rather than the CCF belt but again this will be down to the Contingent Commander.

Originally Posted by RP578

I have been asked to put together sets of uniform accoutrements for a local CCF unit affiliated to our capbadge, but no-one from their contingent commander on down seems to be aware of the definitive rules on what CCF cadets are supposed to wear on No.2 Dress. For example; the cadets wear a sew-on CCF shoulder flash, so do they also wear a our Regt'l epaulette titles and if so, do they need 'CCF' ones also?

Another question raised concerned stable belts. Do they wear the affiliated regt'l one or the CCF one? What about instructors? Would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction, be that via DII/Westminster. I am mindful that the CCF unit does not have a bottomless wallet and, genuinely trying to be helpful, I don't want to start ordering things for them that they don't need.

Thank you in advance.

It seems strange no one in the continget can read the dress regs as they can be found in JSP313 (IIRC) and state quite clearly what can and can't be worn. The contingent should hold a copy of this tome. Sounds more like they want to 'cuff it' and try to encroach on the dress regs, it is more comon than you'd imagine.

Talon, CCF dress regs are not as strict as ACF, this comes from the unique nature of the CCF (being effectively distinct units, similar to UOTC (after all they were the oTC Junior Div at one point) but it is certainly not up to the contingent commander to make it up as he goes along.

However, they should DEFINITLY have CCF on their uniform, either below the rank for adults (usually in brass) or across the top of a shoulder for cadets and adults if no brass ones are worn.

These titles can be in regt'l colours if affiliated or any colour the school wants or brass, but they must have CCF in there. I think red and white ones can come through the system, other colours must be bought at school expense.

Normally it is something like 'blah blah school CCF', But can be 'the Loamshire and Blanks CCF'. Generally most schools get their name in there TBH.

These are a MUST. Adults and Cadets have to have CCF on their uniform, either under the pips/crown or on the shoulder. Technically the SSI should too, but in practice they er, forget. But as they are all usually crusty 22+ year WOs they are probably senile! :D

Collar dogs, buttons and headdress can be adopted, and stable belts in some dresses, but that is it. Backing to capbadges is another oddity. Cadets usually don't wear them, but the adults often do. ie Gren guards CCF, cadets didn't adults did... but then again the adults wore the guards trf which is a DEFINITE NO NO.

As a rule most wear the CCF stable belt, or their own, for cadets, maybe using regtl for adults.

If a battle honour or similar or similar badge is worn on the no2s unifomr of the 'adult' unit, the CCF can not wear it. For example, the Staffords wear a glider, their affiliated cadets can not.

Green belts are worn. not too sure on their status, but some units wear the regimental ones. I suppose it depends if you can get them. Not too sure on the state of play with lanyards... I think they can be worn.

Get in touch with the schools Cadet Training Team, they can point you in the right direction even if the school can't. Drop us a PM if you need any extra help (ex-CTT).