Buttonz

You don't. There is a strict policy on this which is driven by a need to ensure that all soldiers are properly trained, with documentation to prove it. I've copied in the email from ITG, dated 28 Feb 11, which was not protectively marked.

Sirs et al,



There has been a incident where by an ex-UOTC OCdt has arrived at ATC(P) for TSC(B) having gained a Certificate of Refresher Training from an RTC having not completed TSC(A).

This is not to happen; RTCs may not conduct TSC(A) refresher testing for a soldier who has not undertaken TSC(A).

LF DTrg(A) is working on a process that will allow ex-UOTC OCdts to join the TA as soldiers (i.e. not as an Officer) without the need to complete all TSC(A). Until that policy is released, ATC(P) and 5 Trg Regt RLC will not be able to accept UOTC trained soldiers.

This really is a surreal situation, I transferred from an OTC to TA unit with MTQ 1&2 complete with no problems at all.

I also taught myself CBRN drills from a 1985 version of the Survive to Fight pam, so maybe something does need to be sorted out!

Is that email referring to a UOTC cadet that hasn't passed MTQ 1 but was mistakenly processed as a transferee by any chance? I was under the impression that a 'trained soldier' is a 'trained soldier' in regards to OTC/TA transfers.

Originally Posted by Red7

Is that email referring to a UOTC cadet that hasn't passed MTQ 1 but was mistakenly processed as a transferee by any chance? I was under the impression that a 'trained soldier' is a 'trained soldier' in regards to OTC/TA transfers.

No mistake, a trained solder is indeed a trained soldier, but a UOTC OCdt is a UOTC OCdt (not a trained soldier) as indeed an ACF cadet is an ACF cadet.

So what is teh point of the UOTC?

Surely it should be able offer (in two to three or more years) the chance for the OCDTs to skip 6 weekends and two weeks worth of training...

Originally Posted by chocolate_frog

So what is teh point of the UOTC?

Recruiting (and not by stealth). Not sure about how the other units are going, but as of next October, noone at my UOTC goes beyond MTQ1 unless they've booked an AOSB attendance of some description (thanks to SDSR or one of the affiliated studies.)

We also take some of the TA officers from the area for their initial 6 weekends, or something like that. They didn't go into much depth about that part.

If it that blatant now, is it time for the UOTC to actually do the bit in their title... train Officers whilst at University for instant use in the TA or maybe a shortened course at RMAS ie CC, PQOCC, LECC, TACC, OTCCC.

Just to keep this thread updated.

Upon receiving the joining instructions from TSC (A) and contacting the training department for TSC (A) based at Malta Barracks, under exceptions parts 7 (B) Ocdts are EXEMPT from TSC (A) and should complete TSC (B) if joining the infantry only.

This was found in the joining instructions pack sent by the Initial Trg Gp. As far as i'm aware this still stands currently. Hope that clears things up for people and clarifys a reliable source.

Originally Posted by Buttonz-UK

Just to keep this thread updated.

Upon receiving the joining instructions from TSC (A) and contacting the training department for TSC (A) based at Malta Barracks, under exceptions parts 7 (B) Ocdts are EXEMPT from TSC (A) and should complete TSC (B) if joining the infantry only.

This was found in the joining instructions pack sent by the Initial Trg Gp. As far as i'm aware this still stands currently. Hope that clears things up for people and clarifys a reliable source.

There is a new policy out which makes is very clear what UOTC training counts for, and it's not as simple as that, not least as it varies depending on how long is is since the individual was in the UOTC.

The new policy has been issued and is in force.

The key to this is when you passed your MLDP1 or 2 or Module 3 qualification, not when you last trained or when you left the OTC.

Only passed MLDP 1? If within 12 months, then retest at RTC and progress to TSC(Inf) or TSC(B) or Module 2. If more than 12 months, start again at TSC(A).

Only passed MLDP2? If within 12 months, then retest at RTC and progress to Module 3 or TSC(B) or CIC. If more than 12 months, start again at TSC(A).

Passed Module 3? If 7-12 months ago then retest at RTC and then repeat Module 3 or go to TSC(B) or CIC. If 13-24 months, retest at RTC and restart TAPO training at Module 2 or go to TSC(B) or CIC.

If you fail the retests, then its off to TSC(A) for you.

If you are from a non-infantry sub-unit of an OTC and joining an infantry TA unit as a soldier, then you have to do the TSC(Inf) weekends before CIC.

Don't suppose you can point me to a link for the policy on DII?